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Brexit: give me a positive effect... X

Discussion in 'off topic' started by kabayiri, Jan 13, 2021.

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  1. kabayiri

    kabayiri pfm Member

    I don't know what you mean with the Colin reference, but it's not important.
    Of course I would read any proposal. Who wouldn't? It doesn't mean to say I would buy into it.
    On your first point, the world of 2016 and the Covid dominated world of 2021 are miles apart. That's the big disruptor which none of us could have predicted.
     
  2. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr Well, I can dream, can’t I?

    If you've been reading this thread as well as posting to it, you can't have missed Colin Barron's contributions to it.
     
  3. tonerei

    tonerei pfm Member

    It was fairly obvious after the initial posts he was settling in to the 'normal' pattern. The obfuscation is a little more subtle as it is couched in business terms and mentions worldwide embracing of business etc etc but when pressed a little it falls back on the established rhetoric albeit appearing more in tune. The message is still the same haven't clue what the benefits are never really thought about but here we are now so lets be great and make it up as we go along.
     
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  4. tonerei

    tonerei pfm Member

    The world is still the same. You have to make agreements to have trade. Brexit substituted a broad agreement that gave the UK unfettered access. Brexit choose to go it alone in a world full of alliances. Covid has nothing to do with it.
     
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  5. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK I had amnesia once or twice...

    The fact that the Express, the cheerleaders for Brexit, feel the need to run the story and try to rubbish any rejoin idea suggests that, despite the fact they "wunnit", there's a concern the tide's turning and they feel their sunlit uplands could be under threat soon.
     
  6. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    You have a good nose.
     
  7. stephen bennett

    stephen bennett Mr Enigma

    No.

    They didn't listen or care what the effects of their vote would be on other people..

    I'm sure myself and all my colleagues who are facing an uncertain future will be reassured by the words of wisdom from an anonymous internet poster.

    Stephen
     
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  8. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    Have they given over with the "Lady Diana Assassination Plot Confirmed by Intelligence Leak" stuff now then?
     
  9. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    Polling consistently shows buyer’s remorse. Perhaps they’re hoping to counter that with impartial results supplied by their broad, socially representative readership? They make The Sun look like the Christian Science Monitor .
     
  10. kabayiri

    kabayiri pfm Member

    I thought the rejoin fans here would focus on the campaign, but instead they seem obsessed with the Express source.
    Any new campaign is going to have to win over mild Tory voters.
     
  11. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr Well, I can dream, can’t I?

    What is it about the nation state you have lost faith in? Not a trick question, btw, I'm genuinely interested.

    I'm also interested in why you would look to global businesses to step up and fill the void. Business is by its nature amoral, whereas nations have, or should have, an underlying code of mutual support. If your loss of faith is because you don't see nation states fulfilling that function any more, I'm surprised you think big business will step into the role.

    Personally, if I were losing faith in the nation state, ie my nation state, I might be more interested in some sort of supra-national entity to help keep things on track. Doesn't have to be the EU, of course, but it served well enough for my purposes.
     
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  12. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    Or the McCanns actually murdered their daughter.
     
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  13. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    Bingo! I claim the first sighting of 2021's first "nothing to do with Brexit, all a result of Covid" post! Do I get a prize?
     
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  14. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    No point yet. We need a few years to understand what we have got. We're not yet a month in. Let's explore the sunny uplands, enjoy all the benefits of this new arrangement, and relish our freedom. The fishermen in Brixham can enjoy theirs.
     
  15. AudioAl

    AudioAl pfm Member

  16. kabayiri

    kabayiri pfm Member

    Just a lack of vision.
    I don't hero worship the likes of Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk, but you can not deny they have ambitious plans.
    Where is the long term plan from any recent UK government?
    Northern Powerhouse seemed like an opportunity to me, to shift the balance more evenly across the country, but I'm struggling to see that it is anything more than marketing.
     
  17. eternumviti

    eternumviti Bloviating Brexiter

    An interesting prospect, having one useless, dogmatic, corrupt, self-serving and unsackable government providing top cover to offset the dogma, corruption and self-serving incompetence of another, sackable one.

    I'm not convinced, though, that it is a workable solution.

    Secrecy and underhand dealing having characterised both our entry into the EEC, and its conduct ever since. The route-planning stitch up was certainly completed before the French would say 'Oui'.

    'l'Europe des patries'.
     
  18. SteveS1

    SteveS1 I heard that, pardon?

    Yes as touching as these examples are, the serious damage is happening elsewhere in the UK economy. The benefits will be there for those behind the Express and the like though. Justy not for the little people. They won't see their interests aligned with the UK services industry for example, but their exposure is significant, in some cases directly but mainly of a reduced UK GDP is spent on.
     
  19. eternumviti

    eternumviti Bloviating Brexiter

    No, you get the dunce's hat for refusing to acknowledge that the scenery today is indeed omewhat different from that of 2016, and that brexit is very far from being the only factor in that.
     
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  20. SteveS1

    SteveS1 I heard that, pardon?

    I acknowledge that, do you acknowledge that Brexit becomes an additional burdon to this crisis and unique to the UK, that we could well do without?
     
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