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Brexit: give me a positive effect... X

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SteveS1 said:
To an extent yes, but how do you excuse the sheer laziness involved in not checking for themselves some of the many ridiculous claims that were made for them? Being receptive to empty slogans just encourages deception.
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Who would pass on the oportunity of making England great again? The Return Of The Empire On Which The Sun Never Sets?
 
Sue Pertwee-Tyr said:
Thanks, and while I take your point, there is rather more to a nation state’s functioning than economic growth. My view is that economic activity is what pays for the stuff the state does, it’s not what the state is for. I’m also sceptical that the conventional growth model is sustainable, so would prefer to look elsewhere for the long term route. Bear in mind also that government short-termism is often driven by what will play nicely with business. So I’m not really looking to rely on the source of many problems to provide the solution to them.
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I was wary of framing it in purely economic terms. I do think it's worth investment to focus on things like great value public transport, a typical socialist goal.

Eg. I don't have much time for PM May's tenure. The one thing I did like was her attempt to address the issue of elderly care via a charge on property. It's the hallmark of a nation as to how we treat the elderly IMO, and care home provision has been undervalued for a long time.

I think I've digressed enough now.
 
Sue Pertwee-Tyr said:
If you've been reading this thread as well as posting to it, you can't have missed Colin Barron's contributions to it.
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I probably did see them, but I don't really focus on the poster. I do recognise EVs' posts because of the distinctive avatar.

Every poster can make points I might agree with, and others I don't. It's rarely a binary thing.
 
kabayiri said:
....On your first point, the world of 2016 and the Covid dominated world of 2021 are miles apart. That's the big disruptor which none of us could have predicted.
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If only we had some warning of zoonotic new diseases before, say something like AIDS, Ebola, West Nile Fever, Zika, MERS, SARS... or perhaps someone like Bill Gates making YouTube videos on the subject or perhaps healthcare workers telling us to prepare for one.
 
eternumviti said:
... the scenery today is indeed somewhat different from that of 2016, and that brexit is very far from being the only factor in that.
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I'm not sure how anyone can properly plan because of Covid. I've got flights booked to Malaysia in the Summer. I doubt even that will happen. Personally, I think that Covid is a bigger restriction on peoples' lives right now than Brexit...which doesn't diminish the challenge of either.
 
Seeker_UK said:
Let's just confirm this. The UK is the only country that voted on whether the UK leaves the EU and you think that the effects of the UK leaving is not the UK's fault?

No Brexit, no effect of Brexit.
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I think that the causes and thus the effects of brexit are pretty much entirely due to the advancement by stealth, lying and coercion without consent of the EU project since Maastricht in 1993.
 
russel said:
If only we had some warning of zoonotic new diseases before, say something like AIDS, Ebola, West Nile Fever, Zika, MERS, SARS... or perhaps someone like Bill Gates making YouTube videos on the subject or perhaps healthcare workers telling us to prepare for one.
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It’s not even as if the government conducted its own pandemic preparedness ( or absence of) exercise as recently as 2016 then locking the evaluation findings in a filing cabinet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Cygnus
 
eternumviti said:
I think that the causes and thus the effects of brexit ...
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No. That is only true if the only course of action was Brexit. Which, given there have been choices for the UK all along, is not true.

The UK chose to leave, it's on the UK and to blame others for the ill effects they get as a result of our action is either a failure to understand the situation or a demonstration of the lovechild of hubris and xenophobia.
 
TheDecameron said:
It’s not even as if the government conducted its own pandemic preparedness ( or absence of) exercise as recently as 2016 then locking the evaluation findings in a filing cabinet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Cygnus
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There was a government report in July 2019 warning of lack of preparedness in the event of a pandemic, in particular calling for stockpiling of PPE which would otherwise run out quickly. No action was taken and PPE ran out quickly in the early months of 2020.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ed-last-year-of-risks-of-coronavirus-pandemic
 
Seeker_UK said:
No. That is only true if the only course of action was Brexit. Which, given there have been choices for the UK all along, is not true.

The UK chose to leave, it's on the UK and to blame others for the ill effects they get as a result of our action is either a failure to understand the situation or a demonstration of the lovechild of hubris and xenophobia.
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There were two courses of action available, staying or going. We went.
 
eternumviti said:
I think that the causes and thus the effects of brexit are pretty much entirely due to the advancement by stealth, lying and coercion without consent of the EU project since Maastricht in 1993.
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Why would the EU give their consent to the advancement of stealth lying and coercion? Slippery slope that, we'd have EU approval of the tories in no time.
 
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