"We" did indeed take back control. Like it said on the poster. "We" all voted, "We" then elected 2 more governments to do the work. That is all the control that "we" get, that "we" will ever get. The decision has indeed been made, several times over. There's no ignoring the election results. Now look what "we", actually, no, only some of us, asked for. Well done.No, "we" didn't.
The politicians did, on our behalf.
As it turns out, they are simply not as competent as needed, Labour or Tory.
Whatever, the decision was made.
Tedious insistance that the EU compromise the single market we chose to leave, in order to solve a UK problem of it's own creation which it's now choosing to try and ignore having sold out it's DUP allies along the way. If the roles were reversed in the same negotiation no way would Johnson and Frost see it as their problem to solve.
This was a problem Brexiters chose to pretend didn't exist because it is suddenly inconvenient.
AKA as "why don't they just do what we want".
It's genuinely hilarious how international law, agreements and treaties can suddenly be light touch and “reasonable” because they no longer suit a completely different border situatiuon we have embarked on unilaterally. If only the other parties would bury their intransigence to unilateral change forced on them, everything would be fine.
You think this shouldn't be a problem because you, like many others here didn't give a shite and don't see why this Irish tail should wag the English Brexit dog. The bluster and pretence that this was not going to be an issue, was just another piece of Brexit B/S, albeit a rather serious one.
The bit in bold made me pause for a moment. Essentially, what you are arguing* is that:<snip>
The absence of proportion, balance, respect for history, and imagination on this issue by the Commission is mirrored in the demented utterings of the more evangelistic kind of EUphile, for whom there is simply no way but the EU way.
Brexit has happened. It is how we deal with the issues raised by the departure of the UK from the EU that matters now. In the case of NI this requires tact, flexibility, imagination, diplomacy and statesmanship on the part of the Commission and EU leaders, qualities that are very evidently entirely missing.
That's not a good thing. I always want Gove where I can see him.I suppose the good thing about Brexit is that I haven't had to see Gove for a few weeks. Where is the slithy bugger?
Tedious insistance that the EU compromise the single market we chose to leave, in order to solve a UK problem of it's own creation which it's now choosing to try and ignore having sold out it's DUP allies along the way. If the roles were reversed in the same negotiation no way would Johnson and Frost see it as their problem to solve.
This was a problem Brexiters chose to pretend didn't exist because it is suddenly inconvenient.
AKA as "why don't they just do what we want".
It's genuinely hilarious how international law, agreements and treaties can suddenly be light touch and “reasonable” because they no longer suit a completely different border situatiuon we have embarked on unilaterally. If only the other parties would bury their intransigence to unilateral change forced on them, everything would be fine.
You think this shouldn't be a problem because you, like many others here didn't give a shite and don't see why this Irish tail should wag the English Brexit dog. The bluster and pretence that this was not going to be an issue, was just another piece of Brexit B/S, albeit a rather serious one.
It appears that you wouldn't see the obvious even when it jumped up and smacked you on the nose.
I bet you that most people in mainland UK did not consider the NI situation when they voted.
And that includes remain voters and leave voters.
I bet you that most people in mainland UK did not consider the NI situation when they voted.
And that includes remain voters and leave voters.
I bet you that most people in mainland UK did not consider the NI situation when they voted.
And that includes remain voters and leave voters.
Of course Leave voters knew what they were voting for. Here you are:The narrative back when was that Leave voters knew exactly what they were voting for. Any attempt to say otherwise was labelled arrogant, looking down on, Remainer elitism, etc. All part of the Big Lie of course.
Can we please have this as a sticky? It's the best comment on the whole subject.
How can you or I consider the lived reality of somewhere like NI, if you don't have direct experience?I wouldn’t make that assumption, the people who brought the GFA to fruition certainly made plenty of it. I think you are confusing not considering with not giving one. Bit like them not giving a stuff about the effect on so much else that doesn’t directly affect them, exporters, ex-pats, Gibraltar, JIT supplies, Financial Services - so much not to give one about if you know nothing about them, it’s hard to know where to start.
How can you or I consider the lived reality of somewhere like NI, if you don't have direct experience?
I have the same view for the Scottish independence issue btw.
It isn't for me to say how people stuck hundreds of miles from Westminster feel about our governance.
My honest view. My heart always sags when I hear about NI politics. The past is continually dredged up. It feels like groundhog day.
If you really want to know what I think, I believe that somehow Ireland should become reunited. But that's easy for me to say, as I don't live there.
Quelle surprise...No, "we" didn't.
The politicians did, on our behalf.
As it turns out, they are simply not as competent as needed, Labour or Tory.
Whatever, the decision was made.
S*** always happens.most people in mainland UK did not consider the NI situation
Some didn't see the obvious before putting their little crosses on paper, and still profess not to.It appears that you wouldn't see the obvious even when it jumped up and smacked you on the nose.