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Brexit: give me a positive effect... XII

Discussion in 'off topic' started by richardg, Apr 6, 2021.

  1. Kirk

    Kirk pfm Member

    The narrative back when was that Leave voters knew exactly what they were voting for. Any attempt to say otherwise was labelled arrogant, looking down on, Remainer elitism, etc. All part of the Big Lie of course.
     
  2. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    "We" did indeed take back control. Like it said on the poster. "We" all voted, "We" then elected 2 more governments to do the work. That is all the control that "we" get, that "we" will ever get. The decision has indeed been made, several times over. There's no ignoring the election results. Now look what "we", actually, no, only some of us, asked for. Well done.
     
  3. deanf

    deanf pfm Member

    Boris and a Arlene meet on the beach of the Irish Sea. It's too treacherous to cross, so Boris nicely asks Arlene to carry him across on her back. This makes Arlene a little suspicious. She asks, “How do I know you won’t sting me?” Boris says, “Because we are better together.” That sound reasoning relaxes Arlene's nerves. So she allows Boris to climb aboard and they shove off across the choppy waters. They get halfway across and Boris stings Arlene directly in the middle of her back. Arlene feels the onset of Boris' poison and starts to sink. She manages one dying breath: "Why?!" And Boris replies: “It’s in my nature…”
     
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  4. eternumviti

    eternumviti Bloviating Brexiter

    So, the brain-dead rock of EU fundamentalism progresses at rapidly accelerating speed towards the very hard place of bone-headed Irish sectarianism, but that's just fine with Steve S1, as long as no 'international' (aka EU) laws are compromised.
     
  5. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr Well, I can dream, can’t I?

    The bit in bold made me pause for a moment. Essentially, what you are arguing* is that:

    "if only the EU wasn't behaving in the way that I've criticised for years, this could be sorted"

    That's a bit of an odd position. If the EU didn't behave as you say, you'd not have wanted to leave, surely? But you expect/require it to behave differently now? Out of remorse for driving us away, perhaps?


    *I'm not endorsing or agreeing, just summarising
     
  6. Nero

    Nero Wiped Clean

    I suppose the good thing about Brexit is that I haven't had to see Gove for a few weeks. Where is the slithy bugger?
     
  7. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr Well, I can dream, can’t I?

    That's not a good thing. I always want Gove where I can see him.
     
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  8. tonerei

    tonerei pfm Member

    Spot on. Standard detached self absorbed Tory supporter who blindly goes where ever Bojo points his todger and to hell with the consequences. One can always write a word salad dismissing the obvious and carry on up the brexit.
     
  9. eternumviti

    eternumviti Bloviating Brexiter

    It appears that you wouldn't see the obvious even when it jumped up and smacked you on the nose.
     
  10. SteveS1

    SteveS1 I heard that, pardon?

    As usual, no solutions just demands from others who didn’t create the problem that they do as you require. You must have gone through your business life in a very charmed way with this level of preparation, tactical planning and negotiating prowess. It’s just one of the more serious of the incompatible Brexit promises that is coming home to roost. It was dismissed as part of Project Fear.
     
  11. tonerei

    tonerei pfm Member

    You obviously didn't but it was high on the agenda. Your party purged all the sensible politicians in the Tory party who outlined all the problems. Remember this was one of the planks of Project Fear. Really catch up it is all just copy cat DTrumpf tactics for the Englanders. The leave voters bought it hook line and sinker same as the stop the steal rabble in the states.

    It played out throughout the negotiations and was subject to multiple interventions from former Prime Ministers.
    You have to ask yourself the logic of having a referendum on something so fundamentally important with an audience who have no idea on what they are voting on or no interest in educating themselves.
     
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  12. farfromthesun

    farfromthesun pfm Member

    The Tories and their Brexiteer cohorts have destroyed the NI Peace Process in favour of their continuing to evade taxes. Nice.
     
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  13. SteveS1

    SteveS1 I heard that, pardon?

    I wouldn’t make that assumption, the people who brought the GFA to fruition certainly made plenty of it. I think you are confusing not considering with not giving one. Bit like them not giving a stuff about the effect on so much else that doesn’t directly affect them, exporters, ex-pats, Gibraltar, JIT supplies, Financial Services - so much not to give one about if you know nothing about them, it’s hard to know where to start.
     
  14. SteveG

    SteveG pfm Member

    I did think about it and was of the view that one reason that Brexit couldn't/wouldn't happen is that there couldn't be a reasonable answer on the NI situation.
    While I was right on the NI situation I was sadly wrong on Brexit! A situation where NI was effectively left in the EU with the rest of us Brexiting always seemed like madness that'd lead to the current challenges.
     
  15. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    Of course Leave voters knew what they were voting for. Here you are:
    Can we please have this as a sticky? It's the best comment on the whole subject.
     
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  16. kabayiri

    kabayiri pfm Member

    How can you or I consider the lived reality of somewhere like NI, if you don't have direct experience?
    I have the same view for the Scottish independence issue btw.
    It isn't for me to say how people stuck hundreds of miles from Westminster feel about our governance.
    My honest view. My heart always sags when I hear about NI politics. The past is continually dredged up. It feels like groundhog day.
    If you really want to know what I think, I believe that somehow Ireland should become reunited. But that's easy for me to say, as I don't live there.
     
  17. SteveS1

    SteveS1 I heard that, pardon?

    You should run that past those like Arleen and Sammy who supported Brexit on the assurance from Boris and the ERG that they wouldn’t be. Lots of luck with that.
     
  18. kendo

    kendo Prussian bot

    Quelle surprise...
     
  19. Minio

    Minio ... take a walk on the mild side...

    S*** always happens.
    One thing leads to another.
    Don't expect politicians to have too much foresight.
     
  20. ff1d1l

    ff1d1l pfm Member

    Some didn't see the obvious before putting their little crosses on paper, and still profess not to.
     

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