martin clark
pinko bodger
+! to that. I loved it, esp. the Vortex game.
(NB remember to be careful how you address an Aspidistra.)
(NB remember to be careful how you address an Aspidistra.)
that I have no reason to indulge.
Timhum
Yes I totally agree and what is even more surprising is that the topic is as dull as ditchwater and is as about as important as if did you have a cheese sandwich or a ham one for lunch on this day 22 years ago.
Some of this lot would fight over a sheet of toilet paper.
Still it makes good entertainment seeing obsessives squabble over nowt..
Regards
Mick
Swapped out/downgraded the interconnect temporarily on my Rega isis to Preamp today. Went form my usual Cardas Golden Ref to the supplied profi/rega cable.
The difference, the reduction in all things good was MINDBLOWING
like going from a NAC552 to a NAC12
Third party being those who haven't tried or don't "know", I guess, Lou. In which case the sensible thing to do is for the non-believers to say "don't waste you're money" and the believers to point out firms who offer 30 or 60 day sale or return such as Mark Grant or Clearer Audio, or to suggest buying second hand. That way those who fall in to neither of the camps that I mentioned don't lose out if they want to try out fancy mains cables.
Or by third party do you mean dealers? Again, do it on sale or return so the dealer only gets the sale if the punter likes the product.
Reading a few of these threads ( and there have been many many of them ) my reading of the Objectivists POV is the the Subjectivists claim that they can hear the difference when they have bought a more expensive (it always is ) cable and added it to their system. The Objectivists want to know (as I see it ) if the Subjectivists could tell whether the cable had,or had not,been substituted if they,the Subjectivists ,had been blindfolded and the cable was,or was not ,changed around by an impartial third party.
So the evidence that you think is being invidiously called for is hardly invidious. Can the Objectivists 'tell' in a simple blind test when a cable is being swapped in or out of their system? In a blind test?
They all claim they can when they themselves change the cables around.
All the Objectivists seem to ask is 'would you show me that you can tell with a simple test'
I would really like the answer to that question because I could start on a whole new upgrade path if it were to be the case.
You see, this kind of makes my point. Aquapiranha makes some perfectly valid and reasonable points, then goes and soils his own backyard by some fatuous reference to unicorns, and a parting shot about 'the gullible' and 'fools and their money', clearly intended to assert that those who disagree with his position are gullible fools.
And thus, the possibility of a reasoned debate is immediately scuppered. Ironic, since the objectivists' view is, essentially, put forward as the voice of reason.
What I mean is that the ones that are doing the most promoting online (through surrogates occasionally) are in fact industry people.
ive no doubt you percieved a difference. it just wasn't real, because it cannot be.
That's just too sensible. We can't have people making up their own minds in the comfort of thrir own homes without a salesman present, can we?
Quick Question:
I have a load of EU headed pre moulded cables, a lot of recent equipment comes with a whole family of different headed IEC mains leads. Is it safe to lop them off and terminate with UK 13A plugs or ought I sling them in the WEEE waste bin?
Yes we can. Russ Andrews have been doing this for years. Try it at home, if you don't like it, send it back and get your money back.
Evidence cannot be subjective it can only be empirical...they being opposites. 'Evidence' that is subjective is merely opinion.
Quite true, but all listening tests are subjective!
how come subjective listeners shy away from blind listening tests?
How about spot the cable in a blind ABX? Is that subjective or objective?
If listening tests really are subjective, how come subjective listeners shy away from blind listening tests?
Yes we can. Russ Andrews have been doing this for years. Try it at home, if you don't like it, send it back and get your money back.
Since they're still in business, can we assume they don't get too many sent back....?