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Mains Cables

Discussion in 'audio' started by garysummerhill, May 6, 2012.

  1. martin clark

    martin clark pinko bodger

    +! to that. I loved it, esp. the Vortex game.

    (NB remember to be careful how you address an Aspidistra.)
     
  2. arthur

    arthur Banned

    That would be no ability to indulge Steven.

    Please keep your statements accurate, there's a good fellow.
     
  3. arthur

    arthur Banned

    MICK!!!

    Welcome back homey!

    I've missed a certain pomposity here of late. Even Steven doesn't compare.

    I'm delighted.
     
  4. Teddy Ray

    Teddy Ray pfm Member

    http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_11_4/feature-article-blind-test-power-cords-12-2004.html

    "Using the blind ABX protocol, we failed to hear any differences between an assortment of generic power cords and Nordost Valhalla. Therefore, we cannot conclude that different power cords produce a difference using the blind ABX protocol. However, we also cannot conclude that there are no differences. We simply failed to prove that differences can be detected to a statistically significant degree using a blind ABX protocol."
     
  5. Teddy Ray

    Teddy Ray pfm Member


    ive no doubt you percieved a difference. it just wasn't real, because it cannot be.

    there are things that matter. Room Acoustics, Impedence Matching, set up of the TT correctly, speaker angle/toe in/setup...

    but cables? no.
     
  6. louballoo

    louballoo Banned

    What I mean is that the ones that are doing the most promoting online (through surrogates occasionally) are in fact industry people.



    Louballoo
     
  7. Joe

    Joe pfm Member

    And you,using Aquapiranhas post as a foil, completely side step my question.

    If his points were,as you say ,valid then they were valid and not wronged by anything else he said.

    I hold no brief for either camp and am loath to prolong this thread but you state that ...." there is evidence (albeit subjective and empirical) ".. .Evidence cannot be subjective it can only be empirical...they being opposites. 'Evidence' that is subjective is merely opinion. I deny no one the right to their opinion but when people claim their opinion is fact I bow out.
     
  8. formbypc

    formbypc pfm Member

    Subjective or objective assessment?
     
  9. formbypc

    formbypc pfm Member

    How would you prove the absence of a difference, other than by quoting a conclusion from one test, as above.....?
     
  10. formbypc

    formbypc pfm Member

    Yes we can. Russ Andrews have been doing this for years. Try it at home, if you don't like it, send it back and get your money back.

    Since they're still in business, can we assume they don't get too many sent back....?
     
  11. Fox

    Fox The sound of one hoof clopping

    Quick Question:

    I have a load of EU headed pre moulded cables, a lot of recent equipment comes with a whole family of different headed IEC mains leads. Is it safe to lop them off and terminate with UK 13A plugs or ought I sling them in the WEEE waste bin?
     
  12. formbypc

    formbypc pfm Member

    Perfectly safe to snip a Euro plug off and replace with your own UK mains plug
     
  13. Fox

    Fox The sound of one hoof clopping

    Yay! And a spares cable box is born!
    My life is coming back together.
     
  14. Joe

    Joe pfm Member

    Yes...that was his point.
     
  15. Mr Pig

    Mr Pig ^'- -'^

    Quite true, but all listening tests are subjective! The objectivists just don't seem to get this, or at least they won't admit it. They claim that facts are on their side when all they have are the results of a different kind of subjective listening test. When you appreciate this it makes their arrogance on the matter seem all the more unreasonable.
     
  16. ultrawomble

    ultrawomble Sith Lord

    How about spot the cable in a blind ABX? Is that subjective or objective?

    P.S. If listening tests really are subjective, how come subjective listeners shy away from blind listening tests?
     
  17. formbypc

    formbypc pfm Member

    Who says, generally-speaking, that they do?
     
  18. Mr Pig

    Mr Pig ^'- -'^

    Subjective, they all are. A different configuration, still just a subjective opinion.

    For the same reason that objectivists, or should that be objectionables, dismiss the results of long-term listening, it doesn't give the results they want.

    I don't know if mains cables make a difference. I don't really care to be honest. What does bother me is when the objectionables ruin every thread in which others try to have a discussion about something they don't agree with. If they don't think cables make any difference, fine, they are entitled to their opinion. But it's selfish and unhelpful to turn every thread on the subject into repetitive squabble that can never reach consensus or conclusion. I think they hope that by their militant antagonism they can bully others into giving up talking about the subject, or at least make participation in the threads as unattractive as possible. It's nasty.
     
  19. Mick P

    Mick P Retired and content

    Chaps

    The easiest way to cure the problem of obsessive nerds taking over the forum on cables is to make it compulsory viewing for their wives and children.

    The kids would mercilessly take the piss out of them and their wives would almost certainly leave and divorce them.

    I suspect that some of them are in fact already divorced and living with their Mum. Their systems complete with wanky cables installed in their little bedroom upstairs. The highlight of their day being when Mum brings them a cup of tea.

    Regards

    Mick
     
  20. Steven Toy

    Steven Toy L3 Toy

    You missed the sarcasm. There is at least one person on this thread who thinks that after-market mains cables should be banned. In the wider poilitical sphere his vision of Utopia is clearly a rather grotesque authoritarian nanny state where all but the most banal of decisions and choices are denied to the general populace. It is based on a misanthropic premise that human beings are too feckless to be permitted to think for themselves and that a severe curtailment of their freedoms is for their, our, own good.

    He would ban the orgasm.

    That said he is probably a troll.
     

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