Steven Toy
Accuphase newbie
AQP likes a good wind-up so he got one. That said, I do believe that demands for proof may be symptomatic of a disproportionate craving for certainty that I have no reason to indulge.
I am regularly amused to see these posts addressed to individuals in the public area. A PM would be much more effective and grandstanding would not get to the scale it does in the public arena. The many readers to these threads would have to wade through the posturing and grandstanding posts to find the reasonable views or possibly even advice. I say "would have" because I imagine many of them will be disenchanted with a few members posting multiple times and having a domestic in public and seek advice and views elsewhere. Can't say I blame them either.
AQP likes a good wind-up so he got one. That said, I do believe that demands for proof may be symptomatic of a disproportionate craving for certainty that I have no reason to indulge.
I always use mains cables that meet the standards of the country I happen to be in. They all seem to perform their function well.
Dino and Sue, nice to see you already on the offensive against people whose opinion is different from yours. Can't you let your provocative postings rest? These are only peripheral bits of hifi, which in itself isn't important in the overall scheme of things.
Care to explain that? Oh and for the onlookers, I am sure both steve and myself are quite capable of looking after ourselves, but thanks for the thought.
[Soap box]If I came up with a product and sold it to market on the proviso....[/Soap box]
I genuinely believe that it is this hilarious suspension of science and adoption of hocus pocus that is partly responsible for the decline of the industry
Somebody earlier on in this thread raised the analogy of religion - vs - rationality. It works, up to a point, and there are certainly parallels between the objectivists and Richard Dawkins' (occasionally strident and disrespectful) dismissal of religion's adherents.
The difference, I might suggest, which makes the analogy less valid (I won't say invalid) is that very few religionists claim to have a personal testimony or experience of the Divine, whereas most subjectivists in hifi have at least experienced something which leads them to the conclusions they have adopted.
So I think it is invidious to suggest that a subjective approach to hifi is based on 'faith' because, fundamentally, faith requires belief without evidence, and there is evidence (albeit subjective and empirical) for the differences in amplifiers, cables and mains leads.
Reading a few of these threads ( and there have been many many of them ) my reading of the Objectivists POV is the the Subjectivists claim that they can hear the difference when they have bought a more expensive (it always is ) cable and added it to their system. The Objectivists want to know (as I see it ) if the Subjectivists could tell whether the cable had,or had not,been substituted if they,the Subjectivists ,had been blindfolded and the cable was,or was not ,changed around by an impartial third party.
So the evidence that you think is being invidiously called for is hardly invidious. Can the Objectivists 'tell' in a simple blind test when a cable is being swapped in or out of their system? In a blind test?
They all claim they can when they themselves change the cables around.
All the Objectivists seem to ask is 'would you show me that you can tell with a simple test'
I would really like the answer to that question because I could start on a whole new upgrade path if it were to be the case.
Not quite, it is accurate. You forget the miracles, many of which are the bases of faith, certainly in the christian church. Would a subjectivist deny the miracles of Lourdes, for example? A doctor might want to put on a different explanation.Somebody earlier on in this thread raised the analogy of religion - vs - rationality. It works, up to a point, and there are certainly parallels between the objectivists and Richard Dawkins' (occasionally strident and disrespectful) dismissal of religion's adherents.
The difference, I might suggest, which makes the analogy less valid (I won't say invalid) is that very few religionists claim to have a personal testimony or experience of the Divine, whereas most subjectivists in hifi have at least experienced something which leads them to the conclusions they have adopted.
So I think it is invidious to suggest that a subjective approach to hifi is based on 'faith' because, fundamentally, faith requires belief without evidence, and there is evidence (albeit subjective and empirical) for the differences in amplifiers, cables and mains leads.