DimitryZ
pfm Member
Which ones?
War declared, Israel v Palestine...
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Sapere Aude
You absolutely are being over cautious Paul.
This is also being covered by Haaretz. See post #2699.
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
I get the felling that many Palestinians don’t so much feel they have nothing to lose by fighting back, but that they have no other choice.
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
Israeli govt discusses plan to ethnically cleanse Gaza. As suspected- forced deportation of the population to the Sinai desert.
PaulMB
pfm Member
Very interesting, and disturbing article! Thanks for posting.
That is France not USA.
This is nothing new: it is how Hamas evolved from social work to setting up a military wing in 1989.
The current leader of that military wing has seen his wife, 3 year old daughter and infant son murdered by Israel in 2014.
Finnegan
It’s shite being Scottish!
This is quite outrageous. But whether it’s a Tory board who run a football club, or a Tory Home Secretary, these desperate gestures demonstrate they are tremendously weak, running scared, and have lost the argument.
www.heraldscotland.com
Green Brigade suspended from attending all Celtic matches
Those part of the group, which is housed in the north curve of Parkhead, have received direct communications from the club to inform them of the…
MVV
pfm Member
Gaza is a human disgrace the Israelis are so deep now I can’t see any way out. The settlers are using it to kick Palestinians off their lands in the West Bank and when the north of Gaza is cleared what will they do with the south? Probably the same as the North. We have to accept it is a genocide and we are watching it unfold.
Listening to the news this morning I notice the UN tone has changed to one of powerless resignation.
Listening to the news this morning I notice the UN tone has changed to one of powerless resignation.
gavreid
Pretty Words...
Americans can never agree on the meaning of their Constitution and where it is neutral or secular, but the minimum interpretation is giving equal weight to all religions.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”
paulfromcamden
Baffled
Meanwhile Starmer - a humans rights lawyer - still refuses to say whether he thinks Israel has broken international law saying he "thinks it's unwise" for politicians to comment.
Jason P
pfm Member
That's because he's proving himself to be a spineless little **** who cares more about power than any shred of human decency. It pains me to say this but I think Boris would have been more vocal than Starmer or Sunak.
Enfield boy
pfm Member
Haaretz also have many articles on the links between Netanyahu and Hamas going back years.
Tony L
Administrator
Just for those without access to Twitter I’ll post two key paragraphs of UN Human Rights Director Craig Mokhiber’s resignation letter in plain text here:
“As a human rights lawyer with more than three decades of experience in the field, I know well that the concept of genocide has been subject to political abuse. But the current wholesale slaughter of the Palestinian people, rooted in ethno-nationalist settler colonial ideology, in continuation of decades of their systematic persecution and purging based entirely upon their status as Arabs, and coupled with explicit statements of intent by leaders in the Israeli government and military, leaves no room for doubt or debate. In Gaza, civilian homes, schools, churches, mosques, and medical institutions are wantonly attacked as thousands of civilians are massacred. In the West Bank, including occupied Jerusalem, homes are seized and reassigned based entirely on race, and violent settler pogroms are accompanied by Israeli military units. Across the land, Apartheid rules.
This is a textbook case of genocide. The European, ethno-nationalist, settler colonial project in Palestine has entered its final phase, toward the expedited destruction of the last remnants of indigenous Palestinian life in Palestine. What's more, the governments of the United States, the United Kingdom, and much of Europe are entirely complicit in the horrific assault, providing economic and intelligence support, and giving political and diplomatic cover for Israel's activities.”
Citation as before (Twitter).
In fairness Starmer has cashed a £5m cheque from an Israeli lobbyist (see #2667 upthread).
PS I’ve had to retype a few sentences of the above resignation letter quote as Apple’s text from image reader is really struggling with parts of it, but I think I’ve got it about right now. Still obviously far better to use Twitter and see the source material.
“As a human rights lawyer with more than three decades of experience in the field, I know well that the concept of genocide has been subject to political abuse. But the current wholesale slaughter of the Palestinian people, rooted in ethno-nationalist settler colonial ideology, in continuation of decades of their systematic persecution and purging based entirely upon their status as Arabs, and coupled with explicit statements of intent by leaders in the Israeli government and military, leaves no room for doubt or debate. In Gaza, civilian homes, schools, churches, mosques, and medical institutions are wantonly attacked as thousands of civilians are massacred. In the West Bank, including occupied Jerusalem, homes are seized and reassigned based entirely on race, and violent settler pogroms are accompanied by Israeli military units. Across the land, Apartheid rules.
This is a textbook case of genocide. The European, ethno-nationalist, settler colonial project in Palestine has entered its final phase, toward the expedited destruction of the last remnants of indigenous Palestinian life in Palestine. What's more, the governments of the United States, the United Kingdom, and much of Europe are entirely complicit in the horrific assault, providing economic and intelligence support, and giving political and diplomatic cover for Israel's activities.”
Citation as before (Twitter).
In fairness Starmer has cashed a £5m cheque from an Israeli lobbyist (see #2667 upthread).
PS I’ve had to retype a few sentences of the above resignation letter quote as Apple’s text from image reader is really struggling with parts of it, but I think I’ve got it about right now. Still obviously far better to use Twitter and see the source material.
Spraggons Den
pfm Member
Is this your belief?
mandryka
pfm Member
It's a disturbing letter -- thanks for making me aware of it.
And thanks for making me aware of this too. I think the more concrete detail we have about that sort of thing, the more lucidly we'll be ablt to understand what is going on in Europe and America concerning this war. Without that sort of detail it all appears (to me) inexplicable.
dave charlton
pfm member
Israeli pacifists were taken hostage by Hamas as part of the slaughter on October 7th.
Finnegan
It’s shite being Scottish!
Spraggons Den
pfm Member
Seems a harsh way to treat Holocaust survivors and their children - making them stateless. Of course use of the word 'dismantling' sounds nicer than annihilation for the same end goal.