droodzilla
pfm Member
May the perpetrators of this crime against humanity, and anyone who seeks to defend or excuse it, rot in Hell.
War declared, Israel v Palestine...
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May the perpetrators of this crime against humanity, and anyone who seeks to defend or excuse it, rot in Hell.
Finnegan
It’s shite being Scottish!
This is a truly horrific development for obvious historical reasons. Yet this is what happens when organisations engage in terrorist acts; and governments engage in terrorist acts under the cover of ‘fighting terrorism.’ There were several reports of anyone vaguely Asian or Arabic looking being beaten up after the Oklahoma bombing in 1995 (which turned out to have been carried out by white supremacist Timothy McVeigh) and attacks on American Asians following the 9/11 atrocity.A mob of Muslims have stormed an airport in Dagestan (near Chechnya) to search for Jews landing from Israel. Presumably want a modern pogrom.
Lots of video footage on Tw*tter. And clearly lots of violent idiots in the world waiting to kick off.
It's really up to the US to stop things getting out of hand. Israel won't listen to anyone else.
Russians storm airport in attempt to attack passengers of Israeli flight
No Israelis were injured, but about 20 people have been injured and are currently receiving medical treatment, according to local health officials.www.jpost.com
You simply cannot hope to contain the effects of the horrific terrorist bombing of Gaza in that region only. The Israeli, U.K. and U.S. governments are all aware of this but are perfectly willing to run the risk of collateral damage. They bear the same culpability as those who are engaging in these appalling acts of anti-semitism.
PaulMB
pfm Member
Which reinforces my feeling that this is not so much, or no longer, about Israel and Palestine, but about Islam against the rest of the world.A mob of Muslims have stormed an airport in Dagestan (near Chechnya) to search for Jews landing from Israel. Presumably want a modern pogrom.
Lots of video footage on Tw*tter. And clearly lots of violent idiots in the world waiting to kick off.
It's really up to the US to stop things getting out of hand. Israel won't listen to anyone else.
Russians storm airport in attempt to attack passengers of Israeli flight
No Israelis were injured, but about 20 people have been injured and are currently receiving medical treatment, according to local health officials.
gavreid
Pretty Words...
Rowley appears to be under pressure from the High Brave Extremist to be making arrests. What for, he doesn't know...
Met Police Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley has called for clarity from the government on extremism as he faces criticism over the handling of pro-Palestinian protests in London.
Five people have been charged after being arrested at the demonstrations in central London on Saturday.
Sir Mark said about 100 people had been arrested at protests since the Hamas attack on Israel three weeks ago.
He added that "many more" arrests are expected in the near future.
Met Police Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley has called for clarity from the government on extremism as he faces criticism over the handling of pro-Palestinian protests in London.
Five people have been charged after being arrested at the demonstrations in central London on Saturday.
Sir Mark said about 100 people had been arrested at protests since the Hamas attack on Israel three weeks ago.
He added that "many more" arrests are expected in the near future.
Pro-Palestinian protests: Met Commissioner calls for clarity
Sir Mark Rowley says his officers are limited by legal definitions of extremism.
www.bbc.co.uk
cooky1257
pfm Member
Not if the votes at the UN and the millions all over the world marching in protest at the wholesale butchering and slaughter of innocent Palestinians is anything to go by. That's a twisted and quite obscenely Islamophobic feeling you're having there. Hamas isn't Islam nor is a bunch of Chetchyen thugs. Just like the IDF isn't 'the Jews' .
gavreid
Pretty Words...
Straight out of the Blair speech book!
PaulMB
pfm Member
Not at all. Nothing "obscenely racist" at all. Islam is not a "race." It is a global, expansionist religion. Just like Christianity was an expansionist religion that provided the political impetus for the Crusades.
Finnegan
It’s shite being Scottish!
Rowley appears to be under pressure from the High Brave Extremist to be making arrests. What for, he doesn't know...
Met Police Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley has called for clarity from the government on extremism as he faces criticism over the handling of pro-Palestinian protests in London.
Five people have been charged after being arrested at the demonstrations in central London on Saturday.
Sir Mark said about 100 people had been arrested at protests since the Hamas attack on Israel three weeks ago.
He added that "many more" arrests are expected in the near future.
Pro-Palestinian protests: Met Commissioner calls for clarity
Sir Mark Rowley says his officers are limited by legal definitions of extremism.www.bbc.co.uk
gavreid
Pretty Words...
Yes, the Scots are no better, worse in this case! Disgraceful! They knew who he was and where he lived too!
gavreid
Pretty Words...
Palestinian firefighters survey damaged stores following an Israeli military raid on the Jenin Palestinian refugee camp in Jenin in the Israeli-occupied northern West Bank. Photograph: Jaafar Ashtiyeh/AFP/Getty Images
Smoke rises over Gaza on Monday as Israeli forces continue their assault on the enclave. Photograph: Evelyn Hockstein/Reuters
cooky1257
pfm Member
Islamophobic then.
paulfromcamden
Baffled
That's a shocking statistic. It brings home how disproportionate Israel's response is.
It reminds me of the graphic showing that Gaza - an area a fraction the size of London - had been hit with the same number of bombs as the US used in the whole of Afghanistan in a year.
Finnegan
It’s shite being Scottish!
The idea that Islamophobia can be excused by the “Islam is not a race” argument is exceptionally pernicious. It is a prejudice based on cultural, religious and social characteristics of a specific group that are “othered“ by the west, i.e. racism.
“I took great pains in the book to show that current discussions of the Orient or of the Arabs and Islam are fundamentally premised upon a fiction, my book was often interpreted as a defense of the “real” Islam. Whereas what I was trying to show was that any talk about Islam was radically flawed, not only because an unwarranted assumption was being made that a large ideologically freighted generalization could cover all the rich and diverse particularity of Islamic life (a very different thing) but also because it would simply be repeating the errors of Orientalism to claim that the correct view of Islam was X or Y or Z.”
Edward Said
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“I took great pains in the book to show that current discussions of the Orient or of the Arabs and Islam are fundamentally premised upon a fiction, my book was often interpreted as a defense of the “real” Islam. Whereas what I was trying to show was that any talk about Islam was radically flawed, not only because an unwarranted assumption was being made that a large ideologically freighted generalization could cover all the rich and diverse particularity of Islamic life (a very different thing) but also because it would simply be repeating the errors of Orientalism to claim that the correct view of Islam was X or Y or Z.”
Edward Said
Islam Through Western Eyes
This essay, by the late Edward Said, from the April 26, 1980, issue of The Nation, is a special selection from The Nation Digital Archive. If you want to read everything The Nation has ever published on the Middle East, click here for information on how to acquire individual access to the...
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Seanm
pfm Member
This is like antisemites claiming not to be racist because there are no reliable DNA markers for being a Jew. Islamophobia - which you’re undeniably indulging in - is a form of racism just as antisemitism is. Islam and Judaism have been racialised - by racists - in a way that Christianity has not, so there’s no alibi there.
gavreid
Pretty Words...
Our correspondents on the ground are reporting that Israeli tanks are now approaching Gaza City.
Witnesses also told AFP news agency that the tanks are on the edge of Gaza City and cut a key road from the north to the south of the war-torn Palestinian territory.
Palestinian sources told Al Jazeera that Israeli tanks are dividing the Gaza Strip into two parts after their incursion towards Salah al-Din Street, which vertically passes through the enclave.
Witnesses told AFP that tanks were seen in the Zaytun district.
They have cut the Salah al-Din Street and are firing [indiscriminately] at any vehicle that tries to go along it, one resident was quoted as saying.
www.aljazeera.com
Witnesses also told AFP news agency that the tanks are on the edge of Gaza City and cut a key road from the north to the south of the war-torn Palestinian territory.
Palestinian sources told Al Jazeera that Israeli tanks are dividing the Gaza Strip into two parts after their incursion towards Salah al-Din Street, which vertically passes through the enclave.
‘Tanks are firing at vehicles in Gaza’s Salah al-Din Street’
New lines are coming in on the major Israeli tank movement reported by witnesses.Witnesses told AFP that tanks were seen in the Zaytun district.
They have cut the Salah al-Din Street and are firing [indiscriminately] at any vehicle that tries to go along it, one resident was quoted as saying.
Israel-Hamas war updates: Netanyahu rejects ceasefire after captive video
Fierce fighting on the ground in Gaza as Israeli forces push deeper inside the besieged enclave amid heavy bombing.
paulfromcamden
Baffled
Story in the Graun this morning about how sales of handguns are going through the roof in Israel at the moment. This can't be a good thing but tbh I completely understand Israelis looking at the events of the 7th and deciding they need to arm themselves in case something like that happens again.
cooky1257
pfm Member
Seems that ordinary citizens have to buy guns but illegal settlers are given AR15s.
droodzilla
pfm Member
You're splitting hairs. Your post was racist.
Attributing the attitudes of a small bunch of violent thugs on the larger group (OK, OK, Islam isn't a race, blah blah, we get it) of which they are a part is the essence of racism.
PaulMB
pfm Member
I just wrote what I think. You can attach a label to it, if you like. But it does not change what I think. If by "Islamophobic" you mean that I am afraid of Islam as a global force for change, then yes, I am afraid of how Islam could try and change the world we live in.
Tony L
Administrator
You will find the genocide being delivered by Israel to Palestine is killing a lot of innocent people of all faiths, as indiscriminate bombing of high density civilians areas always does. We are watching some of the worst war crimes the world has ever seen unfold. There is no justification for Israel’s behaviour. It is what it is.