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Verve Acoustic Sounds Series Reissues

Discussion in 'music' started by poco a poco, Sep 1, 2020.

  1. Mignun

    Mignun pfm Member

    I take it these are represses of the regular Impulse LPs, not the Acoustic Sounds series?
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  2. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    I assumed they were AS series?
  3. poco a poco

    poco a poco I'm Jim

    I’m not sure where @mikechadwick got this list. Mike perhaps you can post a link.

    I can’t see some of these in the Acoustic Sounds store. E.g Keith Jarrett - Treasure Island.
    Only 2 ( ALS & Ballads) were on the last list of the AS Verve Series for 2022 , so possible as repressing. Given the current delays to the AS series ones I can’t see a new being released as AS Verve this year.
  4. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Have AS said anything anywhere about ‘Coltrane’? I’d really like a nice vinyl copy of that one.

    I’m really looking forward to the Pharoah Sanders too. Definitely up for that one.
  5. mikechadwick

    mikechadwick pfm Member

    These aren't Acoustic Sounds, regular 180g represses apparently
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  6. mikechadwick

    mikechadwick pfm Member

    Yes that's correct - I just assumed they were Acoustic Sounds - my bad :(. Sorry for the confusion! Hangs head in shame!
  7. poco a poco

    poco a poco I'm Jim

    I have just got around to playing the latest AS Verve Mono Ella & Louise release and it is superb. It is so well recorded that I suspect most releases sound good. I have two different CD versions and briefly had the DeAgostini LP, but returned that as a noisy pressing and failed to get a replacement. Although quite good this copy totally blows these away as far as sound quality goes. First to note this is a totally flat and noise free pressing even in the ‘dead wax’. I think QRP is exceeding the Tone Poet RTI releases in this respect these days. The Tone Poets are not in anyway bad or a problem when the music is playing, but they they now seem a little less consistent with regard to the noise apparent in the ‘dead wax’ areas.

    My first thoughts after only a few seconds in was this in this version even though mono, is the most accurate and realistic reproduction of voices I have had in my room although I have some others that are very good. @gavreid noted that some people were claiming the AP 2x45rpm in comparison was better and I had seen some comments on the Hoffman Forum and by Michael 2x45rpm Audiophile saying this. There is some sense in this in that both sides on this 33.3rpm are over 25 minutes long, which is pushing the limits more than a bit for with regard to distortion particularly on the innermost tracks. What I was not seeing anywhere was if they were playing with a stereo or a dedicated mono cartridge.

    I don’t have the AP 2x45rpm so it is true it could be better, but I was a bit intrigued so as the pressing was so quiet I decided to play it with both. I can hear no real difference in noise levels, the usual main gain from playing with a mono cartridge, but I am hearing very worthwhile improvements in sound quality, somewhat along the lines of what some of the people are claim on Hoffmann about the 45 over the 33. Even though the side lengths are long I can hear no distortion on the inner most tracks for instance with Louise’s Trumpet towards the end of Tenderly on side one with either cartridge. What I do hear when played with the mono cartridge is a greater tonal richness and presence on both voices, particularly Ella’s and much greater presence and the realistic ‘Blat sound’ of Louise’s horn. More depth to the sound stage and a bit more bass that particularly add body to Peterson’s piano and Herb Ellis’s Guitar. Buddy Rich’s drum kit though well towards the back and retaining the subtlety also sounds clearer especially his brushes on the snares. So while I don’t know if the 2x45rpm would not be better still on my system this may account for some of the differences being claimed. Confirms to me at least that there are real benefits from a mono cartridge beyond just improved noise levels.

    For info Cartridges are Stereo - Ortofon Cadenza Bronze mounted in an SME V and Ortofon Cadenza Mono in my L-07D turntables own arm. Both cartridges were chosen because they were likely to have an overall similar tonal balance. There is a slight difference in tip profile.

    Hope this has not been too boring. I thought it might be of interest to some particularly those running both mono and stereo cartridges.
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  8. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    That's great and not boring at all Jim - I was going to ask about your mono cart, I'm going to experiment with my own in a pimped Planar 3 quite soon.

    I played mine with my normal XX2 in the Well Tempered. I didn't hear any distortion at all. My copy isn't quite flat but it's not too far off - the best I've had so far is the Ella Christmas album but I need more time with the Louis.
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  9. poco a poco

    poco a poco I'm Jim

    What I forgot to add that is that while Louise’s voice has greater presence and richness, interesting how it emphasises some of his pronunciation choices with the mono. I love “Paaaris” in April In, there is a slight downside in that the sibilance on his voice is a bit more apparent, but this is the only downside I can hear. I think this the nature of the recording and his closeness to the mike. I doubt they had a ‘Desser’ in the recording chain then. No sibilance on Ella’s voice though that sounds really beautiful. Shoes how good The Neumann U47 Mike’s were for vocal recording. No wonder Frank Sinatra had is own that he took around with him.
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  10. dave charlton

    dave charlton pfm Member

    "Coltrane" looks to be available now on general release. I think I shall go for it when I see it.
  11. poco a poco

    poco a poco I'm Jim

    There are standard Verve reissues of ‘Coltrane’ around including a 1997 and one from 2022, but is it not part of the AS Verve reissues scheduled for release in 2022 and doesn’t seem to be part of the Impulse 60th Anniversary releases. Price seems to be around £20. It maybe good enough Pressing, but a case of ‘suck it and see’?

    I assume you mean the 1962 Impulse Coltrane Quartet ‘Coltrane’ and not the 1957 Prestige Coltrane. I have the 1963 UK (Impulse HMV) Issue so I’m good on that one.
  12. dave charlton

    dave charlton pfm Member

    Indeed. It's listed as a 180g with gatefold sleeve - all analogue would be a plus.
  13. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    It would have to be something special to be worth it. The current ‘Impulse Originals’ are very good IMO. I actually let a ‘97 copy of ‘Coltrane’ go in the shop a good few years back as I preferred the CD (yes, that happens!). I’d buy an Acoustic Sounds copy though.
  14. Elephantears

    Elephantears Trunkated Aesthete

    Yes, they really should do 'Coltrane'. None of the reissues I know have got it quite right, although the 80s Japanese are pretty good. I actually think the cheap 80s Jasmine pressing is the only one that has the horn forward enough on 'Out of This World'. It's the track that got me obsessed with Coltrane and has always been a favourite.
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  15. smike

    smike pfm Member


  16. Theo

    Theo pfm Member

    I'd love to see a decent new pressing of Coltrane's 'Ole': the ORG 2 x 45 mono is meant to be good, but I can't abide the idea of it splitting the title track over two sides. All recent pressings are DOL/Waxtime nonsense.
  17. mikechadwick

    mikechadwick pfm Member

    Check out the Rhino Reissue - not expensive. Haven't played it for a while but I seem to remember it sounding pretty good.
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  18. Graham H

    Graham H pfm Member

    Mike - I found the mono Rhino version a bit muddy, especially the tracks with two basses. Stereo versions portray the basses with much more detail to my ears. My preferred reissue is the Heavyweight Champion CD, which I think is hard to beat. I also have the MOV LP reissue from about 10 years ago, which if memory serves sounded a bit flat and hissy. Considering the Atlantic master tapes are believed to have been lost in the Feb 1978 fire, Atlantic Coltrane reissues are always going to be a tough call IMO.
  19. poco a poco

    poco a poco I'm Jim

    I think that is the same mastering as the one in the Atlantic Mono Box Set I have. It is very good, but the who.e box set has become quite pricey now.
  20. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    I’ve got The Heavyweight Champion box for all the Atlantic Coltrane. It’s good enough though I know it can be beaten. If I really wanted to collect that period I think my cost-effective target would be early to mid-70s US Atlantic. I’d not care about the label colour or address, any are fine, and all are obvious well before the fire that wiped-out so many masters. I’ve mentioned before I compared one of these (Blues) against the Heavyweight Champion and preferred it and they shouldn’t be too spendy. They were just mid-priced ‘70s albums. I’ve got a few of other Atlantic artists, e.g. Coleman, Mingus, and they sound great.
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