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Trump Part 19

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farfromthesun said:
Whenever I watch a Verhoeven movie, I am always amazed at how he foresaw the future so well, and his incredible understanding of society. Great article.
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Robert A Heinlein was quite right wing in his views so hardly surprising it was easy to make a film that chimes with he current political climate.
 
farfromthesun said:
Fair enough but the societal issues seen in both Robocop and Total Recall are grimly prescient.
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If you want prescience try "The Sheep Look Up" by John Brunner. Published in 1972. A great book and becoming closer to reality by the year. His portrait of Prexy/Trump is prophetic.

A synopsis from wiki

"The novel takes place in an unspecified year in the near future, at one point said to be in the 1980s. Human activities have resulted in wholesale destruction of the environment.

Water pollution is so severe that "don't drink" notices are frequently issued. Household water filters are popular items. Air pollution has reached the point that people in urban areas can't go outside without wearing air masks. The fumes left behind by aircraft are such that it causes air sickness in planes trailing behind. California is blanketed by a thick layer of smog that prevents the sun from shining through. Acid rain forces people to cover themselves in plastic so that their clothes don't get ruined. The sea has become so polluted and the beaches so strewn with garbage, that people now vacation in the mountains.

Coastal waters are mostly covered by a stinky, oily film made up of sewage, detergents, industrial effluent, and cellulose microfibers. The Mediterranean Sea is poisoned beyond recovery, leading to war, famine, and civil unrest in the surrounding countries. The Baltic, Great Lakes, and Caspian are also described as being poisoned. The use of defoliants and herbicides leads to the Mekong Delta becoming a desert. The heavy use of chemicals has made large swathes of farmland unsuitable for growing anything, resulting in higher food prices.

Many animal species and surface sea fish are on the brink of extinction, while birds are not as common as before, the Bald Eagle having gone extinct. Overuse of antibiotics has made a host of bacteria resistant and infectious disease is rampant. Household pests have also grown resistant to pesticides and a new type of agricultural pest, known as Jigras, causes food shortages.

The right wing government is indifferent to these problems. The President, known as Prexy, can only offer snappy quotes in response to various disasters. When poisonings and famine become rampant, the government scapegoats Honduran communist rebels and puts the country under martial law. They resort to violence and oppression to silence their critics.

References are made to attempts to reign in the environmental destruction, but they are depicted as having made no difference to the state of the environment. Even so, one Republican Senator claims that these regulations are destroying American business.

Crime and racial and civil unrest is growing. Travel abroad is discouraged because of terrorist attacks on planes, while fewer and fewer people graduate with science, engineering, or business management degrees, possibly due to lead exposure reducing intelligence. The number of poor people is growing while the shrinking number of the wealthy enclose themselves in walled communities guarded by armed mercenaries.

The US is said to be involved in various foreign wars, similar to Vietnam, which was ongoing when the book was published. A conflict in Honduras is hampered first by American soldiers coming down with enteritis and then by the need to crack down on violence in the United States. Many young men flee the draft.

A growing group of environmentally-conscious activists calling themselves "Trainites" – from their hidden leader Austin Train – turn slowly to terrorist acts in an attempt to stop the corporations from spoiling the Earth.

The character of Austin Train in The Sheep Look Up serves a similar purpose to Xavier Conroy in The Jagged Orbit or to Chad Mulligan in Stand on Zanzibar: He is an academic who, despite predicting and interpreting social change, has become disillusioned by the failure of society to listen. This character is used both to drive the plot and to explain back-story to the reader".
 
Dave***t said:
Is that because they worry about people legally going after Trump/them after he’s out of office? Or does it mean in the sense that they’re planning to misuse executive power to challenge the election result if it goes against them?

That clip the other day about using emergency powers etc to hang on even if Biden wins was chillingly plausible enough, but if that’s what the Rep leadership is ‘wargaming’, it starts to seem even more like shit’s getting real.
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The article was pay-walled so I'm not sure but at a guess...the traditional wing of the GOP are worried that Trump won't accept defeat and will misuse his executive powers if he loses the election which will inevitably spark a raft of legal challenges (if not military intervention).

That said, they could also be concerned about legal challenges after a Trump win, in the event of a too-close-to-call election, and in the run-up to the election - Trump is already gaslighting the mail-in voting process.
 
SteveS1 said:
That's very harsh - to second hand car dealers.

This disgusting psychotic has never hidden his narcissism, cowardice, racism, misogyny, naked self interest, corruption, contempt for those who actually play straight and all his other thoroughly odious characteristics. He is a totally humourless oaf, without a single admirable quality and a complete waste of oxygen.

But let's not dwell on his him - he would love that. The enablers own this. Particularly the GOP who went from opportunistic silence, to rabid deniers and enablers of most of the above in fairly short order. But there is also those who voted for him to "shake things up" or "drain the swamp" that was self evidently replacing effluent with something far more toxic.

There was nothing hidden about any of this and it's on them that they went AWOL when it counted. It's also a sober reminder to voters that elections are pretty much always about the least bad option. Abstaining in protest is just what the worst candidate wants you to do. The same applies to referendums.
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You could be talking about Boris Johnson.
 
SteveS1 said:
That's very harsh - to second hand car dealers.

This disgusting psychotic has never hidden his narcissism, cowardice, racism, misogyny, naked self interest, corruption, contempt for those who actually play straight and all his other thoroughly odious characteristics. He is a totally humourless oaf, without a single admirable quality and a complete waste of oxygen.

But let's not dwell on his him - he would love that. The enablers own this. Particularly the GOP who went from opportunistic silence, to rabid deniers and enablers of most of the above in fairly short order. But there is also those who voted for him to "shake things up" or "drain the swamp" that was self evidently replacing effluent with something far more toxic.

There was nothing hidden about any of this and it's on them that they went AWOL when it counted. It's also a sober reminder to voters that elections are pretty much always about the least bad option. Abstaining in protest is just what the worst candidate wants you to do. The same applies to referendums.
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I agree.
It could be argued that DJT is a product of his sociopathic father & can't be held 100% responsible - it's the power-at-any-cost GOP that are more venal in this as are Fox & the conservative media
Wait til we begin to see these snivelling, pathetic lumps of biological material claim they never agreed with Trump - not long to wait for the first of these excuses to appear - already about turns from Carlson? & Hannity re face masks - new Covid-19 published cases growing by the day (despite them suppressing these figures)
 
tones said:
What is it that the IRA used to say when their actions led to innocent lives being lost? Inevitable casualties of war? Collateral damage? Something like that.
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Is there an actual war going on in the US or just the damage from electing an incompetent narcissist & his grifter mob outfit - elected by 30% of deplorable fools that are his base & some others who now realise how stupid they were?
 
Ciunas Audio said:
Is there an actual war going on in the US or just the damage from electing an incompetent narcissist & his grifter mob outfit - elected by 30% of deplorable fools that are his base & some others who now realise how stupid they were?
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Well, Donnie says that he's a war president, does he not? This does not necessarily contradict the rest of your message!
 
tones said:
Well, Donnie says that he's a war president, does he not? This does not necessarily contradict the rest of your message!
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Who listens to a a word the ChiefSpreader says as representing anything like the truth - it's true he hid in a bunker but one coward in a bunker doesn't make a war
 
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As we all know, the first casualty of war is truth so Trump gets top marks there (and he did it all on his own). The virus was immediately reframed as a war against an invisible enemy and voila! an explosion of 'alternative facts'. Just one example but nearly everything in modern America is a 'war.' A result of the military industrial complex. The media and the Beltway don't help.
 
-alan- said:
Ah - you can't really visit the sins of the child(ren) on the father now surely Ciúnas.. :)
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We all learn to find our place in the family dynamic when young so If raised by a sociopath parent, I'm sure it affects your developing personality - often these patterns of behaviour learned early in our development become crystallised in our psyche especially if our survival is in question

I'm not saying that these patterns are an excuse for the pitiful excuse of a homo sepien Trump is but it's obvious from observing him that his ego is fragile, he knows deep down that he is worthless as a human, that his life has been one cheat after another (his so called transactional) - he has no self-respect, no competence & has cheated his way through life & is still doing it

The whole psychological ratio of nature Vs nurture is still a debatable question but if the nurture is so threatening to one's psyche then it is difficult to recover from
 
Kirk said:
As we all know, the first casualty of war is truth so Trump gets top marks there (and he did it all on his own). The virus was immediately reframed as a war against an invisible enemy and voila! an explosion of 'alternative facts'. Just one example but nearly everything in modern America is a 'war.' A result of the military industrial complex. The media and the Beltway don't help.
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I agree the US population are kept in constant fear as a means of control - it's typical of a rich bully nation
 
Ciunas Audio said:
I agree.
It could be argued that DJT is a product of his sociopathic father & can't be held 100% responsible - it's the power-at-any-cost GOP that are more venal in this as are Fox & the conservative media
Wait til we begin to see these snivelling, pathetic lumps of biological material claim they never agreed with Trump - not long to wait for the first of these excuses to appear - already about turns from Carlson? & Hannity re face masks - new Covid-19 published cases growing by the day (despite them suppressing these figures)
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As long as they continue to get their judges, tax cuts and deregulation, the GOP will go along.
 
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