lordsummit
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Max, a brief look at your recent postings on this thread suggests you need to stop kicking the poster and bat the post instead.
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Please don't infest this site with such vile propaganda. The Israelis butchered women and children, and many young men who were hundreds of metres away from the so-called 'border'. None of them had bombs!
Watch the video ''Killing Gaza' and you'll see the absolutely horrific crimes of the terrorist state of Israel laid bare.
Even right-wingers are now ceasing support for this terror state given its barbarity.
No problem LS.Max, a brief look at your recent postings on this thread suggests you need to stop kicking the poster and bat the post instead.
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Why don't you answer the criticism rather than get defensive.Why don't you stop telling people who they ought and ought not be criticising?
No problem LS.
I presume you'll be giving Still the same warning seeing as he's been following me around the site for weeks posting nothing but off-topic ad-hominem/ridicule after every post I make?
Thanks.
I presume you'll be giving Still the same warning seeing as he's been following me around the site for weeks posting nothing but off-topic ad-hominem/ridicule after every post I make?
I have tried, Witchfinder, a couple of times, but the question comes back unaltered each time, and each time edges closer to Islamophobia. I don't like the term "whataboutery" but in case of your last post it's deserved.Why don't you answer the criticism rather than get defensive.
Turkey does not hide a nuclear weapons program, yet.
Turkey did not cause a war that had queus at petrol pumps.
Turkey is not trying to cause a war that will lead to oil at hundreds of dollars per barrel and environmental and economic catastrophe.
Turkey does not try and get rid of MPs outside its own country that do not kowtow to its agenda.
Turkey does not leverage fundamentalist Christians in the US to influence US foreign policy.....
”Israel is slaughtering Gazan protestors."
Tony as moderator posted in other thread that I/P posts are not "welcome here". Yet, max uses this thread to raise the I/P subject.Max, a brief look at your recent postings on this thread suggests you need to stop kicking the poster and bat the post instead.
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Well, argued...Yet the literal and metaphorical lack of mass burnings/duckings suggests no witch hunt.
The fundamental problem is AS in Labour, and the failure to deal with it in a timely and transparent manner.
Deflecting by making those talking/reporting/concerned about it the problem continues to be damaging, and ultimately self defeating, for Labour.
I commented on another thread:
You forgot about Assad's slaughter and Turkey's current purges etc, but yes the way some Muslim society's treat women borders on medieval, the same as the way it treats apostates, these are valid and serious criticisms of certain Muslim society's, not a 'phobia'. The point I made was that parts of the left do nothing but focus on Israel when it comes to the middle east, and then wonder why they're being called anti-Semitic. The middle east should be seen as a whole, and that includes western involvement. The thing I find really annoying is western support for the BDS movement, with its holier than thou voices harping on about how such and such band shouldn't play in Israel or how we should boycott Teddy Pardo goods!I have tried, Witchfinder, a couple of times, but the question comes back unaltered each time, and each time edges closer to Islamophobia. I don't like the term "whataboutery" but in case of your last post it's deserved.
"Israel is slaughtering Gazan protestors."
"Yeah but what about the way Muslims treat their women?"
If you think that the situation of Iranian women is not getting the attention it deserves, and want to show solidarity with them, then there are campaigns you can contribute to, organisations you can join etc. Why not look into it and start a thread?
I don't disagree with everything you say, just some of it:
- How do you know what Turkey does and doesn't hide? The hidden stuff is, like, hidden.
- Turkey has provoked plenty of conflict, responded in a disproportionate way in plenty of other instances (Cyprus comes to mind as a fairly recent instance) and poured oil on the fire in others (Syria for ex.) The great expulsion of Greeks in the 20s and 40s and the genocide of the Armenians put the Nakba in some sort of perspective.
- Turkey has just got rid of hundreds of academics, judges, opposition politicians, etc. Not necessarily murdered, just thrown in jail. Erdogan's lot have been lobbying for years to get Fethullah Gülen extradited from the US and to intimidate opposition Turks living in Europe.
- Turkey does not leverage fundamentalist Christians in the US. Over the last half century or so, it has found it gets better results by leveraging its NATO frontline status with Pentagon types in the US (I'll grant you there is some overlap between categories).
It's very, very difficult to hide a nuclear weapons programme and Turkey, unlike Israel has signed the NPT treaty.
I don't dispute Turkey is heading for a bad place but when it's criticised you don't get thrown a lot of propoganda by fanatical supporters. As far as BDS goes it worked in SA and SA was hardly the worst place in Africa, were you against sanctions against SA?.
Still, it is a bit of mystery to me why tens of thousands of Kurds* can be killed by the Turkish army over the last few decades and millions more displaced without much "action" (i.e. worthy indignation) from members of the international community. Could it be because Europeans don't lose much sleep about Muslims killing other Muslims?