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Speeches in parliament over anti-semitic activities.

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HydeLea

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I watched the speeches from the House of Parliament yesterday during the debate over anti-semitic activities. I have to say the three speeches were the most passionate delivered from any politician I have witnessed ever !

I really couldn't believe what I was hearing.

Luciana Berger said she'd received nasty communications from hashtag JC4PM such as 'you are a dirty zionist pig, 'paid-up Israeli operative', 'traitor', 'absolute parasite', and 'get out of the country and go back to Israel'. Ruth Smeeth sat down after her speech in tears with one Labour MP quoting 'a deeply worrying lack of leadership and moral clarity'.

For me John Mann's speech summed up all that is wrong. He and his family have been threatened by members of Momentum and other leftist anti-semites. What a speech which hopefully should spark the Labour party into some form of cull and get rid of these people once and for all !

This needs sorting !
 
Apparently this is a really complex problem for JC to resolve, not as simple as sorting out the economy, the NHS, social service provisions and the Middle east etc.
 
It has been claimed that RW zionists masquerading as JC4PM supporters are undermining Momentum and JC for their nefarious objective.

It seems to be suceeding.

What is to be done to prevent or reverse this insidious behaviour?
 
Anything but problems in the Labour camp then ................ straws and clutching spring to mind !

The problem is with the Marxist left as indicated by John Mann.
 
I agree with the sentiments "'you are a dirty zionist pig, 'paid-up Israeli operative', 'traitor', 'absolute parasite', and 'get out of the country and go back to Israel'" and back them 100%. If it had said "you are a dirty Jewish pig" I would have had a huge problem with that of course! I am not in any way anti-Semitic. Just anti Zionist, anti Israel, a non country occupying Palestine and which makes Syria look like a paragon of virtue. I sincerely hope that a Corbyn gov will be openly hostile towards apartheid fascist Israel. JC4PM! For the many not the few!
 
Thankfully after a long slog the broad left have now pretty much captured most of the Party except the PLP, though sadly not Marxists, but we're getting there. Some really do need to put a little more effort into their understanding of Marxism.
We will have deselections, the next pahase, in order to purge the liberals and careerists from the PLP.

The whole Labour antisemitism thing is contrived - another attempt to bring down Corbyn and damange poll chances ahead of the local elections due next month. There are vested interesed (class interests) shitting themselves at the thought of a left governemnt and a change of policy toward the US and Israel. Thats at the heart of this.
I accept that some MPs are rightly very upset at comments they've recieved and if these comments can be traced to party members then expulsion should result following due investigitive procees, followed swiftly by reports to the police.
Of course there are amazinbgly few reports to the police because despite all of the puff and media noise, there are few facts and scant evidence.

Thankfully the issue isn't gaining traction out in the country.

....and John Mann shouldn't be in the Labour Party.

I would fault Corbyn in accepting that the party has a problem - it doesn't.
He should have openly called out the plotters and vested interests from day one, becasue the critics will never be satisfied with any actions untill they bring down Corbyn and restore pale, immitation conservative 'SDP-like' control to the Party.
 
Robert, are you suggesting that the speeches actually have no substance and are contrived to rail against the 'broad left'/Momentum/Corbyn?
 
Robert said:
The whole Labour antisemitism thing is contrived - another attempt to bring down Corbyn and damange poll chances ahead of the local elections due next month. There are vested interesed (class interests) shitting themselves at the thought of a left governemnt and a change of policy toward the US and Israel. Thats at the heart of this.
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So why is Corbyn apologising?
You have info he doesn't?
 
flatpopely said:
Robert, are you suggesting that the speeches actually have no substance and are contrived to rail against the 'broad left'/Momentum/Corbyn?
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I'd say that's painting things a little black and white, but it seems a coincidence too far that so many railing on about this seem to be those in ideological opposition to Jeremy Corbyn. In fact, I'd say it has the same blatant whiff of inchoate news management as Hilary Clinton's e mail server.

It also seems grossly disproportionate when viewed against the avalanche of bigotry displayed by the MPs, friends and supporters of the Conservative party.
 
What is clear is there are big divisions in the Labour party 'broad left' and 'liberals', as Robert names them, and it's going to get messy in the lead up to elections; the public will take a dim view.
It needs sorting.
 
flatpopely said:
Robert, are you suggesting that the speeches actually have no substance and are contrived to rail against the 'broad left'/Momentum/Corbyn?
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Well of course they haven't - are you a bit slow? Like Heidi Lee?
Actually look at what Jez says above, if you don't understand it look at the Wiki entry for Anti Zionism. Then succumb to the dawning realisation that Israel, Jews and Zionism might have overlaps in a venn diagram but are absolutely not the same thing. And apply a bit of rigour to your lazy thinking.
 
flatpopely said:
Jez while that kind of thinking exists Corbyn, Labour and Momentum are doomed as the next parliament.
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As you would expect I strongly disagree. Labour needs to really throw everything at getting people, especially the under 40's, to properly understand what socialism means and stands for and that unless they earn over say £70K a year they are shooting themselves in the foot by voting anything but Labour.
Recent news such as http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43788537 shows exactly how those with money and property are using that advantage to force the young, the poor and the vulnerable ever further down the "food chain" whist they get richer and richer year on year and it must be stopped.

As Robert hints at above, powerful vested interests will do anything to prevent a realignment of UK politics which no longer favours the rich, the powerful, the USA, Israel, armaments companies, landlords, ... and newspaper proprietors! I just wish Labour would be much more pro-active in persuading people of who the real enemies of the people are and not leave it to them to "read between the lines" or work out for themselves that a cabal of the above listed (and many more) are the reasons why they have low paid insecure jobs, rip off rents, no chance of their own home, a declining health service and get a dogs abuse from the state should they lose their job or become ill.

When you think of the egregious treatment under the Tories of anyone who isn't in the "rich and property owning" section of society then it should be the easiest thing in the world to persuade people to vote for the many, not the few and vote Labour. We should be 20% up in the polls right now and Labour should be looking at why they are not rather than bickering and infighting over false anti Semitism and how many lesbian candidates they have!
 
Thankfully after a long slog the broad left have now pretty much captured most of the Party except the PLP, though sadly not Marxists, but we're getting there. Some really do need to put a little more effort into their understanding of Marxism.
We will have deselections, the next phase, in order to purge the liberals and careerists from the PLP.
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So apart from the PLP the Labour Party is now pretty much broad left with the Marxists are increasing their influence. Sounds like the 1970s all over again. That's bound to appeal to the traditional Labour voters in what used to be the industrial heartlands who voted for Brexit. Good strategy Robert!
 
"We should be 20% up in the polls right now and Labour should be looking at why they are not rather than bickering and infighting over false anti Semitism and how many lesbian candidates they have!" Bit too much of this LGBT malarkey in Labour these days isn't there?
 
I'd be amazed if any of this stuff made much difference to the upcoming local authority elections. People always vote for the opposition as a way of getting at the sitting Westminster government, because they know local government doesn't really matter much. This always happens, particularly if things aren't going too well on the economic front, and an opposition 'victory' doesn't guarantee they will form the next government. Corbyn and the people behind him seem more than capable of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
 
Funny how the OP is shtum on every other thread about racism etc. Last time he was getting his martial arts moves on in front of the missus when he had an alleged encounter with Momentum folk. I smell Bernard Manning...
 
Robert said:
Thankfully after a long slog the broad left have now pretty much captured most of the Party except the PLP, though sadly not Marxists, but we're getting there. Some really do need to put a little more effort into their understanding of Marxism.
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Do you really think that if the LP was more Marxist, more people would vote for it?
 
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