That’s probably what it is.Must be a preferential deal for their subscribers? They’re a proper outfit, have bought from their parent company in the past.
That’s probably what it is.Must be a preferential deal for their subscribers? They’re a proper outfit, have bought from their parent company in the past.
That’s probably what it is.
My boss has a Tesla. He really likes it but it didn’t really work for him in a recent round trip from Leeds to Solihull. Couldn’t get a charger near the meeting point so set off home & was directed to Derby for a charge.
Probably added circa 2 hours to his journey home. However, for the majority of his motoring it works fine.
It’s all about need. I do semi regular 200 mile plus round trips & ICE currently works better for me.
Avoid buying an EV if you believe there is a climate emergency and think EV is the way to go hire one for a few years do not buy , the used prices have not yet settled for EV's and unlike petrol/diesel cars at around 8-10 years old an EV is not worth paying for repairs as will cost more to repair than they are worth even a 1 yr old EV if the battery goes youll probably pay more for a replacement battery than what you paid for the car used that is if you can get one , the parts for EV's take a long time to arrive hence a lot of insurance companies just wright them off if involved in an accident due to the time taken for parts and the hire of a replacement in the mean time. There is a lot more to consider than when buying a regular car , the infrastructure is not that great in most areas and re charging the battery is a pain in the arse, if you have an electric port at home and you charge every night for a daily commute for a small car driving one they can work out ok ish otherwise prepare to wait in a queue and then spend 30 mins plus once it's your turn , electricity is likely to rise again so cost to run given the depreciation they actually cost far more than a regular car, they also catch fire easier so beware.
Easier than what? A cabbage?they also catch fire easier so beware
It actually happened, he told me about it, we left out meeting at the same time. I was home for 4.50, he arrived homes at just before 8. Under normal circumstances he would have been home around 6pm.Sorry more charger anecdotal nonsense. Firstly Derby is hardly a 2hr diversion and secondly there is a newish 250kw supercharger station at Mansfield just off J28 at midpoint not to mention Barnsley, Woodall, Sutton Coldfield, the Belfry, Measham all on the Leeds to Solihull route.
Sorry more charger anecdotal nonsense. Firstly Derby is hardly a 2hr diversion and secondly there is a newish 250kw supercharger station at Mansfield just off J28 at midpoint not to mention Barnsley, Woodall, Sutton Coldfield, the Belfry, Measham all on the Leeds to Solihull route.
It does seem like he made a bit of a mistake. I haven't done Leeds to Solihull but I used to regularly do Leeds to Lichfield, which is near enough. That took you down the M1, A38 past Derby, Burton, Lichfield. I don't have an intimate knowledge of the W Mids but it can't be a 2 hour diversion unless you foul up because Leeds-Lich is under 3 hours in light traffic. Bearing in mind that the M1 takes you past all the big services and a few smaller ones on the way to the M42, it seems unlikely that he wouldn't have been able to get a 20 minute charge somewhere en route while he had a coffee and browsed the magazines to give him enough juice to get home.It actually happened, he told me about it, we left out meeting at the same time. I was home for 4.50, he arrived homes at just before 8. Under normal circumstances he would have been home around 6pm.
If only everyone was as knowledgeable as you.
Was he only looking for Tesla chargers as he could use any fast charger at a price? So many fast chargers (Tesla) around Solihull/Sutton Coldfield and dozens more non Tesla in the region - being directed to Derby seems more due to inexperience to me?My boss has a Tesla. He really likes it but it didn’t really work for him in a recent round trip from Leeds to Solihull. Couldn’t get a charger near the meeting point so set off home & was directed to Derby for a charge.
Probably added circa 2 hours to his journey home. However, for the majority of his motoring it works fine.
It’s all about need. I do semi regular 200 mile plus round trips & ICE currently works better for me.
It takes around 2hours from Sheffield so definitely another 40 mins or so from Leeds. It’s M1/M42. For some reason he was directed onto the M6 toll. If you don’t know an area then you tend to rely on the Nav system.It does seem like he made a bit of a mistake. I haven't done Leeds to Solihull but I used to regularly do Leeds to Lichfield, which is near enough. That took you down the M1, A38 past Derby, Burton, Lichfield. I don't have an intimate knowledge of the W Mids but it can't be a 2 hour diversion unless you foul up because Leeds-Lich is under 3 hours in light traffic. Bearing in mind that the M1 takes you past all the big services and a few smaller ones on the way to the M42, it seems unlikely that he wouldn't have been able to get a 20 minute charge somewhere en route while he had a coffee and browsed the magazines to give him enough juice to get home.
Yes, but if you don’t know the area you do as directed on the sat nav. I can’t quite work out how he was directed to Derby.Was he only looking for Tesla chargers as he could use any fast charger at a price? So many fast chargers (Tesla) around Solihull/Sutton Coldfield and dozens more non Tesla in the region - being directed to Derby seems more due to inexperience to me?
It does seem like he made a bit of a mistake. I haven't done Leeds to Solihull but I used to regularly do Leeds to Lichfield, which is near enough. That took you down the M1, A38 past Derby, Burton, Lichfield. I don't have an intimate knowledge of the W Mids but it can't be a 2 hour diversion unless you foul up because Leeds-Lich is under 3 hours in light traffic. Bearing in mind that the M1 takes you past all the big services and a few smaller ones on the way to the M42, it seems unlikely that he wouldn't have been able to get a 20 minute charge somewhere en route while he had a coffee and browsed the magazines to give him enough juice to get home.
It actually happened, he told me about it, we left out meeting at the same time. I was home for 4.50, he arrived homes at just before 8. Under normal circumstances he would have been home around 6pm.
If only everyone was as knowledgeable as you.
Sorry for overreacting a bit. I do get triggered by constant misinformation about EV's. They are not perfect by any means nor suitable for everyone but lack of basic journey planning is not a fault of EV's. It's a like saying sorry I was late but the sat nav sent me to a different petrol station in the centre of Derby. Not really a fuel problem.
I am driving to Redcar and back tomorrow (nearly 500 miles). According to many it shouldn't be possible in less than 3 days, should I pack a tent while I wait for charging, will the car spontaneously ignite, will my insurance premium double during the journey, will the weight of the car cause subsidence - watch out for a furrow down the M1 and A1 - will I need to change the battery, its over 3 years old now, surely only worth the price of a bag of crisps now. Oh the worry, oh the humanity!!!
Nothing wrong with EVs, just as long as your use case is catered by one. As the technology and infrastructure improves, this use case expands.
Our 2nd EV
We have a Gen 1.5 Nissan Leaf, made in 2014. Our 2nd EV. I did drive it more than 70 miles, three times exactly. Made good use of the Ecotricity free charging at the time. Did that in the first 2 years of ownership. The third time was awful, doubled our journey time from 3 hours to almost 7 hours, because it took so long to charge and there were others in the queue. We use it solely around town/city driving now, life is too short.
Recently replaced a 3l diesel Mercedes with a 3l petrol BMW.
Why didn't we get an EV?
We've seen the bun fights and queues for power. People charging on 7KW at a rapid because they didn't know you had to remove the bung to the DC connections and get 150KW charging. I've helped a few people, most were very grateful, one didn't want to know and was indignant that I had intruded.
Tesla are still in pole position as far as charging away from the home is concerned. Shame about Tesla's figurehead.
They are still expensive for what you get, though in the last 9 months the delta between a decently appointed ICE car and equivalent EV has shrunk. Tesla are still not as well made as your mid range Mercedes or BMW or Audi.
When will we get an EV? When they're properly able to replace an ICE car, for us that means:
1. Military level of route planning not required - taking into account the weather, time of day, date (is it a public holiday?) and position and availability of charging stations
2. Decent range, 300 miles in any weather, so in reality that means 400 miles declared range
3. Quick charging, 15 mins giving another 200 miles of range
4. Availability of charging, see number 1
5. Cost parity to purchase of an ICE car
6. Cost parity in insurance
7. Cost parity in running cost (way better already if you can charge at home and if you're on a cheap tariff - lots of ifs)
8. They sound boring
All the points have got better in the last few years and the reasons not to have one are decreasing.
Some positives from my experiences
Battery degradation, our Nissan Leaf, often criticised for it's passive battery thermal management has done quite well, it still retains over 90% of it's battery capacity and range, so I can still drive it 75 miles (slowly) it's over 9 years old and done 70k miles.
Maintenance, it's still on its original brake pads and disks, though it has had a couple of front suspension ball joints and LCA.
Its had one oil change. On its 5th set of tyres.
What's in store in the next few years?
Look out for Chinese EVs, I've had a recce of a BYD Seal, Tesla will have issues in the near future. There are plenty of other China TVs that will shake up the market.
Governments will need to implement road charging or other similar mechanisms to recoup the loss of petrol/diesel tax revenues, this applies especially to the UK.
Increased insurance costs till EV manufacturers design their cars with a view of easier repair, damage inspectors to re-calibrate for EVs, so nowriting off of batteries for scratching the outer casing and improved parts availability. Otherwise we'll get priced out of EVs due to short-sighted thinking and practices.
Based on my use case. Audi Q4 top spec leased-ish in Switzerland.When will we get an EV? When they're properly able to replace an ICE car, for us that means:
1. Military level of route planning not required - taking into account the weather, time of day, date (is it a public holiday?) and position and availability of charging stations
2. Decent range, 300 miles in any weather, so in reality that means 400 miles declared range
3. Quick charging, 15 mins giving another 200 miles of range
4. Availability of charging, see number 1
5. Cost parity to purchase of an ICE car
6. Cost parity in insurance
7. Cost parity in running cost (way better already if you can charge at home and if you're on a cheap tariff - lots of ifs)
8. They sound boring
All the points have got better in the last few years and the reasons not to have one are decreasing.