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Post-Trump: III (decline, further tantrums, legal proceedings, book deals etc)

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Yank, May 19, 2021.

  1. Finnegan

    Finnegan pfm Member

    Someone mentioned upthread how Biden only looks good when put alongside Trump. He is in fact a deeply unsavoury character who has his own highly questionable track record of sexual behaviour that may still come back to bite him in the arse. Somewhere on Twitter there’s a video of an Iraq vet confronting him over US war crimes. A really powerful example of speaking truth to power.
  2. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr neither here nor there

    Any system which lets people like these rise to the top, while inhibiting the rise of people with more balanced ethics and views, is broken. In the case of the US and UK, I believe this is by design.
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  3. Tumeni Notes

    Tumeni Notes pfm Member

    War crimes of the last couple of years? Or which took place under another presidency?
  4. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    I’m not entirely sure what the US system is, but I’m seeing little evidence that the UK has progressed in any real sense from feudalism. It is still an endless stream of vastly wealthy elites defining absolutely everything in their own interests and holding vastly larger numbers of people voiceless by rigging the system. Any impression of democracy is illusionary. Just a smokescreen. The much younger America seems to be speed-running through a brutality and inequality that took us long over a millennia to arrive at. Is it too young to be classed as feudal?
  5. droodzilla

    droodzilla pfm Member

    Thanks for reminding me about this:
    As is often the case, it's the hypocrisy I can't stand.
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  6. ks.234

    ks.234 Half way to Infinity

    Yes. In the US the President has to be a millionaire, Christian and a neoliberal. In the UK the Prime Minister has to want to be a millionaire, a Christian, a monarchist and a supporter of a middling football team.

    As you say, both systems are by design, and designed to exclude the rise of people with wider more social views and non-profit ethics.
  7. ks.234

    ks.234 Half way to Infinity

    Feudalism was a based on a two way process whereby wealth is moved from the bottom to the top, and in exchange, patronage, participation and protection is dispensed from the top down to the bottom. The consequences are that wealth goes straight to the top in quick order while the trickle down of benefits has been soaked up by the time it gets anywhere near the bottom.

    Colonialism was Feudalism for the rise of capitalism. Neoliberalism is Feudalism for the modern era. To borrow a current phrase, Neoliberalism is Feudalism on Steroids
    Last edited: May 14, 2023
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  8. Durmbo

    Durmbo sister

    I've thought so since the 90s.
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  9. Finnegan

    Finnegan pfm Member

    Well Biden was VP to Obama, who, despite the “Iraq was a mistake” rhetoric, massively increased the use of indiscriminate drone strikes.
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  10. Kirk

    Kirk pfm Member

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    Nick_G pfm Member

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  12. paulfromcamden

    paulfromcamden Baffled

  13. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    I just read this, so now everyone else has to (Twitter). Giuliani has to be going to jail for the rest of his life, surely?
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  14. sean99

    sean99 pfm Member

  15. Yank

    Yank Bulbous Also Tapered

  16. ErikL

    ErikL pfm Member

  17. Kirk

    Kirk pfm Member

  18. matthewr

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  19. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    There has to be a reasonable way of redistributing (either voluntary or not) extreme wealth.
  20. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Vaush’s take. His view now pretty much being that Musk is genuinely stupid and has become increasingly radicalised.

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