What absolute wacky nonsense, Don!This demand that AOC and Co. force a meaningless vote was just a set-up to denounce them when they didn't. Interesting that you are participating, Max, but doesn't surprise me.
This demand that AOC and Co. force a meaningless vote was just a set-up to denounce them when they didn't.
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am, stuck in the centre with power.And even if it was meant in good faith it was entirely performative and would have lead nowhere. Blowing your political leverage to enforce a meaningless vote for clicks and giggles with youtube Tankies is about as bad a political take as I have seen on the left in 35 years.
They get nothing! Zero! Biden is already signed up to the minimum wage, so there is no fight there, not that they'd have influence anyway!Max, IIRC you are a fan of AOC? If so, we can agree on that, at least, but that Majority Report piece that Matthew linked to upthread, showed a tweet from her that doesn’t support your position, but aligns more with the line taken in the show. Essentially, what Don and Matthew said - it’d be meaningless, and worse, if you lose, you’ve shot your bolt. Far better to use your leverage to get short term doable stuff like a decent minimum wage, and get positions of influence so as to bring about what you want in the longer term.
Max, IIRC you are a fan of AOC? If so, we can agree on that, at least, but that Majority Report piece that Matthew linked to upthread, showed a tweet from her that doesn’t support your position, but aligns more with the line taken in the show. Essentially, what Don and Matthew said - it’d be meaningless, and worse, if you lose, you’ve shot your bolt. Far better to use your leverage to get short term doable stuff like a decent minimum wage, and get positions of influence so as to bring about what you want in the longer term.
‘Do your own research, start *here*’ is pure QAnon methodology. You know that, don’t you?Look into force the vote further before believing the narrative portrayed by those whose careers depend upon obedience to the powerful, and the guys on forums who pretentiously parrot their bull shit.
Your constant referencing of Q'Anon is just weird.‘Do your own research, start *here*’ is pure QAnon methodology. You know that, don’t you?
Exactly. Now who would find them useful as gadflies, but not want them to actually be successful in solving some of the problems that make Americans angry and cynical?You are not keeping up, Sue. AOC and Bernie are centrist corporate shills now and the closer they get to power the more obvious this is to all fellow travellers.
Putin!!Exactly. Now who would find them useul as gadflies, but not want them to actually be successful in solving some of the problems that make Americans angry and cynical?
I can't imagine.Putin!!
How did I not see it
I guess I should join Blue'Anon.I can't imagine.
The article max linked to above made the point that the same could be said of the decision to impeach Trump - largely performative and futile. It's not a knockdown argument but it's an effective rhetorical point, I think.And even if it was meant in good faith it was entirely performative and would have lead nowhere. Blowing your political leverage to enforce a meaningless vote for clicks and giggles with youtube Tankies is about as bad a political take as I have seen on the left in 35 years.
Your objective, rational analysis is very welcome, Drood.The article max linked to above made the point that the same could be said of the decision to impeach Trump - largely performative and futile. It's not a knockdown argument but it's an effective rhetorical point, I think.
For the record I believe it was right to impeach Trump because there was both a moral imperative, and it forced Republicans to go on record as either supporting fascism or opposing it. You could say the same about the Medicare vote - it would have forced the issue and made politicians from both parties come out and say what they really believed. Both issues are matters of life and death.
I don't see how this would have blown the left Democrats' political leverage but your point raises the general question of whether any concessions were extracted from the mainstream Democrats, in return for supporting Pelosi. When is the right time to use political leverage, and for what?
‘Do your own research, start *here*’ is pure QAnon methodology. You know that, don’t you?