Seanm
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Seems to be the party line.
Oh Britain, what have you done (part ∞+16)?
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Marchbanks
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No reference to Milne in the original Reuters article...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...m-idUSKCN1QE25U?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews
...just someone on Twitter assuming, which is then picked up by someone else - and the next thing you know ‘Milne says...’ becomes the accepted truth. Tricky business, trying to sift out the facts on the internet.
MikeMA
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Milne is a communist and malign influence on Labour who pulls Corbyn's strings. Hopefully Starmer and others will now see him off, along with the equally malign McCluskey.
An acid is a proton donor. Since you spend most of your time on here wasting electrons, I think it's highly probable.
SteveS1
I heard that, pardon?
The danger of falling into the Gove/Leadsom trap of declaring a second referendum 'divisive' or 'dangerous to democracy' is that it pretends the first one somehow wasn't.
I'm afraid that cat left the bag with the first vote. At least this one would be against a backdrop of exactly how "easy it will be", how much more "they need us" and that Fox has delivered, err, perhaps two of his forty trade deals that would be ready on the morning after the sunny uplands appeared.
By any reasonable measure a vote now would be a more informed vote. Brexiteers would be all over this if they really thought they would win it, but in any event if people choose that again - there can be no complaints from them when their arses get handed to them to help pay the price.
Konteebos
Surfing on the lake of fire
Deafening pop as Labour finally pulls its finger out of its arse;
https://newsthump.com/2019/02/26/de...dTWDLuwTKwBfQz-k-1PDkLJaja9PEyO7a0NFeX9nIZj5c
https://newsthump.com/2019/02/26/de...dTWDLuwTKwBfQz-k-1PDkLJaja9PEyO7a0NFeX9nIZj5c
Lee T
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May's deal vs remain has never been an option for a second ref, May's deal does not represent Brexit, quite the opposite.
Lee T
pfm Member
This is so true regardless of anyone's stance regarding Brexit. Many here feel it will be a walk over for remain, I can't see it with this government in charge.
Seanm
pfm Member
Stephen Bush points out that "43 [Labour MPs] have publicly committed to opposing another referendum and that number is certainly too low as I have only been able to add to that as and when MPs, activists or aides have sent me the relevant election literature." Just 9 Con MPs - including the splitters - have publicly committed to support one.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...backed-it-chances-another-referendum-are-slim
He's interesting on the Kyle and Wilson amendment too:
"The political thinking behind Peter Kyle and Phil Wilson’s amendment, which would amend the accompanying legislation for the Withdrawal Bill to allow a vote on the deal is it allows MPs to tell Leave voters they backed the deal and Remain voters that they backed another referendum. It's this amendment that Jeremy Corbyn has committed to backing after and if (and considering the balance of forces in the House of Commons, that essentially means when) his plans are defeated this week."
Mad, I think, to think that May won't devise a way to wriggle out of a ref once the bill is through, should she want to.
Lee T
pfm Member
I would welcome a second ref as would many who voted leave I would imagine as long as the leave option deal represents Brexit, as it stands, May's deal is a joke.
If people vote for what they see on the telly or the headline in a rag instead of using their noggins you may well be right. And they will fully deserve what they get and no sympathy.
Stunsworth
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Well, at the moment, there is no deal so "Brexit as it stands" means crashing out without a deal. I can't understand why anyone outside of the lunatic branch of the Tory party thinks this is a good idea.
Marchbanks
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Agreed, although in his defence it is a risky one: A second referendum that looks unlikely to happen plus a chorus of ‘you tried to stop our lovely Brexit’ from a large chunk of his supporters at the next election.
Vinniemac
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I was being mischievous. I obviously have no idea who the spokesperson was, but Milne certainly fits the bill.
gassor
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Wow, we are a democratic country now. I thought we were controlled by some ruling elite who due to their money and control of the media can decide on everything and voting was just a smokescreen to give a semblance of being a participative democracy. Every day is a schoolday.
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