Ponty
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FFS. What does that *mean* if it doesn’t mean either he had it coming, or the police are lying, or both? It’s just nasty innuendo.
No, that’s your interpretation. We simply don’t know the full facts.
FFS. What does that *mean* if it doesn’t mean either he had it coming, or the police are lying, or both? It’s just nasty innuendo.
Yes that’s the context required to make sense of the figures IMO. Fatal police shootings are just the most dramatic kind of uh police-adjacent deaths, and many such deaths are symptomatic of more general forms of police violence and racism.I would say it's a small (*) part of a bigger issue around how the police deals with parts of the population with certain protected characteristics, which it seems this thread is migrating to anyway.
(*) clearly not for those who have lost a loved one from such an incident.
What does “no smoke without fire” mean? That’s your interpretation of the facts. It is literally an innuendo and a very crude one at that.No, that’s your interpretation. We simply don’t know the full facts.
Yes that’s the context required to make sense of the figures IMO. Fatal police shootings are just the most dramatic kind of uh police-adjacent deaths, and many such deaths are symptomatic of more general forms of police violence and racism.
Assuming you choose to live in the UK, why? You really don’t seem to like it or have much good to say about it.
Doubling down with straight up racism.Assuming you choose to live in the UK, why? You really don’t seem to like it or have much good to say about it.
Doubling down with straight up racism.
It's where Tories always end up, in a pinch: if you don't like it go back to your own country.Good God, it’s a genuine question. Thanks for the additional, now deleted comment, very becoming. Think I’ll leave you to your imagination. Best of luck.
And, just like that, we're onto, "If you don't like it here, leave!". Proper fash response to the legitimate questioning of authority.Assuming you choose to live in the UK, why? You really don’t seem to like it or have much good to say about it.
And, just like that, you switch to, "If you don't like it here, leave!". Proper fash response to the legitimate questioning of authority.
But aren't you often having a pop at things you don't like about the UK; benefit scroungers, people over-stretching themselves on credit and, just today, corrupt police in Liverpool?
Having a good old whinge about things is a fine old British tradition, probably dating back to Saxon times.
To correct you, I’m certainly not saying police in Liverpool are corrupt, I’m suggesting there seems to be a strong criminal fraternity.
No, I didn’t, you choose to twist it that way. It was a genuine question. If I chose to live in say, Italy, and spent the whole time slagging it off, many would find it puzzling at to why I’d want to live there. Irrelevant now, I’m not interested in an answer as the party concerned cannot engage with civility.
You seem to struggle with the concept of civility in the same way you do the idea of innuendo. Whether or not the question was genuine or not it wasn’t civil. To respond to a criticism of the police with a suggestion that I might choose to live elsewhere assumes rootlessness on my part, a difference from others, and reduced right to participate in questions like this. You wouldn’t say it to an English member any more than it would occur to you to ask an Italian why he lived in Italy, if he happened to object to Italian police violence.No, I didn’t, you choose to twist it that way. It was a genuine question. If I chose to live in say, Italy, and spent the whole time slagging it off, many would find it puzzling at to why I’d want to live there. Irrelevant now, I’m not interested in an answer as the party concerned cannot engage with civility.
Bloody Saxons. Coming over here, for 300 years, leaving behind them the entire basis of a language and culture that persists to this day. Useless bloody scroungers.They gave us the English language. Eventually.
The whole thing of interpreting a criticism of the police as a criticism of *the country* - it’s either coming from a place of extreme nationalism or of racism. I can’t see any other options.I doubt that many people are unreservedly supportive of their own country, however much they like it, and even if they would never want to live anywhere else. Indeed, I would say that only extreme nationalists and fascists would never have anything bad to say about their home country.