SteveS1
I heard that, pardon?
No need to be rude Steve.
I wasn't.
No need to be rude Steve.
Right you are. I'll get back to my ideological ****ing.I wasn't.
Right you are. I'll get back to my ideological ****ing.
No. I happily self identify as ‘left wing’, but ‘hard left’, ‘Trotskyist‘, Corbinista, ‘far left’ or any of the other more imaginative suggestions of slur do not describe me or my political identityIt's bit like people who are labelled 'left-wing' who immediately say 'I'm not really left-wing, it's just that Blair moved Labour so far to the right that anyone who adheres to proper Socialism appears to be left-wing'.
But, of course, no-one likes having a label stuck on them, whatever that label says.
Point me to where I called somebody anything?
Literally never seen this and I can’t imagine it happening. I think you’re confusing “left wing” with terms like hard left, puritanical wnker etc.It's bit like people who are labelled 'left-wing' who immediately say 'I'm not really left-wing, it's just that Blair moved Labour so far to the right that anyone who adheres to proper Socialism appears to be left-wing'.
But, of course, no-one likes having a label stuck on them, whatever that label says.
I see what you did there..
Not aimed at you of course I'm sure Gav can look after himself. He's certainly fine when dishing it out. Intellectual masturbation then, if you prefer. But calling the shadow cabinet "no-names" and accusing them of "having no policies" when you really mean "people I don't agree with" and "policies I don't agree with" is hardly power to the cause of winning the next election either.
Ed Milliband has tried to inject a few ideas into the debate but "moderate" shadow cabinet colleagues have already started briefing against him. It's almost as if "ideas" = "extremism" in the minds of some members of the PLP.Just describing the blindingly obvious - there's nothing overly intellectual there
having policies is ideological w4nkingNot aimed at you of course I'm sure Gav can look after himself. He's certainly fine when dishing it out. Intellectual masturbation then, if you prefer. But calling the shadow cabinet "no-names" and accusing them of "having no policies" when you really mean "people I don't agree with" and "policies I don't agree with" is hardly power to the cause of winning the next election either.
Ed Milliband has tried to inject a few ideas into the debate but "moderate" shadow cabinet colleagues have already started briefing against him. It's almost as if "ideas" = "extremism" in the minds of some members of the PLP.
having policies is ideological w4nking
Ed Milliband has tried to inject a few ideas into the debate but "moderate" shadow cabinet colleagues have already started briefing against him. It's almost as if "ideas" = "extremism" in the minds of some members of the PLP.
No.No that's dismissing your own shadow cabinet and policies.
No. I happily self identify as ‘left wing’, but ‘hard left’, ‘Trotskyist‘, Corbinista, ‘far left’ or any of the other more imaginative suggestions of slur do not describe me or my political identity
OK, but now I’m confused. I’m happy to be called left wing on any reasonable definition of the political spectrum, but my actual political identity doesn’t stray too far from wanting good public services, strong employment rights and a green revolution. None of which is very radical, yet I still get called far left or hard left to which I have responded more than once along the lines of, to paraphrase your edit, that for such a jibe against mainstream views to be labelled as extremist indicates a very skewed view of that political spectrum.Oh, alright. Post edited.
Starmer standing by his 10 pledges would be a start!Those of you who are 'upset' with Labour today - what you are proposing they do?
OK, but now I’m confused. I’m happy to be called left wing on any reasonable definition of the political spectrum, but my actual political identity doesn’t stray too far from wanting good public services, strong employment rights and a green revolution. None of which is very radical, yet I still get called far left or hard left to which I have responded more than once along the lines of, to paraphrase your edit, that for such a jibe against mainstream views to be labelled as extremist indicates a very skewed view of that political spectrum.
Who are these far left people who protest as you say?