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Labour Leader: Keir Starmer II

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Right you are. I'll get back to my ideological ****ing.

Not aimed at you of course I'm sure Gav can look after himself. He's certainly fine when dishing it out. Intellectual masturbation then, if you prefer. But calling the shadow cabinet "no-names" and accusing them of "having no policies" when you really mean "people I don't agree with" and "policies I don't agree with" is hardly power to the cause of winning the next election either.
 
It's bit like people who are labelled 'left-wing' who immediately say 'I'm not really left-wing, it's just that Blair moved Labour so far to the right that anyone who adheres to proper Socialism appears to be left-wing'.

But, of course, no-one likes having a label stuck on them, whatever that label says.
No. I happily self identify as ‘left wing’, but ‘hard left’, ‘Trotskyist‘, Corbinista, ‘far left’ or any of the other more imaginative suggestions of slur do not describe me or my political identity
 
It's bit like people who are labelled 'left-wing' who immediately say 'I'm not really left-wing, it's just that Blair moved Labour so far to the right that anyone who adheres to proper Socialism appears to be left-wing'.

But, of course, no-one likes having a label stuck on them, whatever that label says.
Literally never seen this and I can’t imagine it happening. I think you’re confusing “left wing” with terms like hard left, puritanical wnker etc.
 
Not aimed at you of course I'm sure Gav can look after himself. He's certainly fine when dishing it out. Intellectual masturbation then, if you prefer. But calling the shadow cabinet "no-names" and accusing them of "having no policies" when you really mean "people I don't agree with" and "policies I don't agree with" is hardly power to the cause of winning the next election either.

Just describing the blindingly obvious - there's nothing overly intellectual there ;)
 
Just describing the blindingly obvious - there's nothing overly intellectual there ;)
Ed Milliband has tried to inject a few ideas into the debate but "moderate" shadow cabinet colleagues have already started briefing against him. It's almost as if "ideas" = "extremism" in the minds of some members of the PLP.
 
Not aimed at you of course I'm sure Gav can look after himself. He's certainly fine when dishing it out. Intellectual masturbation then, if you prefer. But calling the shadow cabinet "no-names" and accusing them of "having no policies" when you really mean "people I don't agree with" and "policies I don't agree with" is hardly power to the cause of winning the next election either.
having policies is ideological w4nking
 
Ed Milliband has tried to inject a few ideas into the debate but "moderate" shadow cabinet colleagues have already started briefing against him. It's almost as if "ideas" = "extremism" in the minds of some members of the PLP.

Ok but nothing takes the heat off "ideas" that the Tories are actually putting into action, than a few "ideas" that nobody is in a position to action. All it does is provide the give best possible deflection when the job in hand is to oppose. If this was a year or so away from an election then it's ideas all the way. But at this stage, with so many unknowns about where things will be when it matters - a complete diversion that the Tory press would be delighted with.
 
Ed Milliband has tried to inject a few ideas into the debate but "moderate" shadow cabinet colleagues have already started briefing against him. It's almost as if "ideas" = "extremism" in the minds of some members of the PLP.

Yes most of them only have the masturbation part
 
No. I happily self identify as ‘left wing’, but ‘hard left’, ‘Trotskyist‘, Corbinista, ‘far left’ or any of the other more imaginative suggestions of slur do not describe me or my political identity

Oh, alright. Post edited.
 
Oh, alright. Post edited.
OK, but now I’m confused. I’m happy to be called left wing on any reasonable definition of the political spectrum, but my actual political identity doesn’t stray too far from wanting good public services, strong employment rights and a green revolution. None of which is very radical, yet I still get called far left or hard left to which I have responded more than once along the lines of, to paraphrase your edit, that for such a jibe against mainstream views to be labelled as extremist indicates a very skewed view of that political spectrum.

Who are these far left people who protest as you say?
 
OK, but now I’m confused. I’m happy to be called left wing on any reasonable definition of the political spectrum, but my actual political identity doesn’t stray too far from wanting good public services, strong employment rights and a green revolution. None of which is very radical, yet I still get called far left or hard left to which I have responded more than once along the lines of, to paraphrase your edit, that for such a jibe against mainstream views to be labelled as extremist indicates a very skewed view of that political spectrum.

Who are these far left people who protest as you say?

Fair enough. You're all Centrists.
 
Kill it.

The Corbyn project revealed the lengths that vested interests will go to destroy any opportunity for the left to have a voice.
Not only did its own side, well the PLP mainly, shamelessly seek to destroy the chances of electoral success, using such disgusting tactics as weaponizing anti-Semitism, but many of its own supporters were duped into attacking their own side rather than the real enemy. And it was all done with alarming ease.

So, its time, along with centrism has passed. It cannot be reformed because it is rotten to the core. It needs to be destroyed by various means but I'd suggest a good starting point is supporting any non right wing party in Labour marginals to unseat the sitting Labour MP.

Mind you, given the current state of the political map, we aren't going to see Starmer or Labour in Downing Street for at least a decade.

BTW interesting to see the published list of those being elevated to the Lords. The 'Labour' contingent tells you all you need to know. All of the treacherous rabble of former Labour MPs who told their constituents not to vote Labour - all put into the Lords by the Tories. A nice reward.
 
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