If the Yanks elected Obama twice, one would think/hope the British could get their heads around Sunak in No.10.
Labour Leader: Keir Starmer II
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If the Yanks elected Obama twice, one would think/hope the British could get their heads around Sunak in No.10.
droodzilla
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Stats for Lefties suggests you might be right:
https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1289580604271411201
Note that Tory voters significantly favour Johnson over Sunak, but this is partly compensated for by Sunak's relative popularity among Labour voters.
ks.234
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the fact that 12% of Tory voters would vote for Starmer ahead of Sunak is likely down to the overt racism that infects most Tories minds to some degree or other. But what explains the fact that 16% of Labour voters would vote for a Tory rather than Starmer?
droodzilla
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Dunno. Madness innit?
Anneliese Dodds fares even worse against Sunak:
https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1288104238036348934
21% of Labour voters prefer the current Tory Chancellor to his shadow?!
gavreid
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That's what happens with a Shadow Cabinet of no-names, with no policies I'm afraid
SteveS1
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Oh really? Sunak in "spend" mode - popular. Sunak in "how this is going to be paid for" mode - we'll see eh?
In fact, I'd turn it around. If Sunak can't be popular while he's spunking money with no clue how he's going to replenish the treasury coffers, he never will be.
SteveS1
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Nothing for non-Labour supporters to worry about. For idealogical w4nking there is always the SWP or some other purist faction with zero chance of unseating the Tories.
ks.234
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Who?
droodzilla
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No need to be rude Steve.
gavreid
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I've always found it amusing that right-wingers don't believe their own positions and stances to be an ideology, just other peoples' views.
ks.234
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To call someone names for wanting to see something of substance is the lamest of little insults
Seanm
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They lose the plot if you even dare to identify their position- even if it’s how they self-identify. Never get so much stick here as when you refer to someone as a centrist. Don’t pigeonhole me! I’m sui generis mate!
gavreid
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It's anti-socialism as a principle or, I suppose, some kind of liberalism, but it's to the right of most liberal traditions that I know about.
Corbyn didn’t appeal to them, thankfully he is no longer leader.
They quite like Asians, the Tories. Their newly acquired ‘traditional’ voters perhaps less so.
Quite a horrible state of affairs really.
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
Accuphase all the way down
I suspect it comes from the traditional centre-oriented political stance, neither committed right not left but adopting some aspects of both, as being thought inherently reasonable. Mostly by those who adopt that position.
The self-image is of reasonableness and flexibility. Then along comes the term ‘centrist’ and its pejorative overtones, and the carefully-wrought self-image takes a bit of a knock.
It’s a bit like people who profess to like MOR music. They think themselves moderate and gently cultured, whereas in reality they are more often just meek people who don’t really like music.
Joe Hutch
Mate of the bloke
It's bit like people who are labelled 'far-left' who immediately say 'I'm not really far-left, it's just that Blair moved Labour so far to the right that anyone who adheres to proper Socialism appears to be far left'.
But, of course, no-one likes having a label stuck on them, whatever that label says.
But, of course, no-one likes having a label stuck on them, whatever that label says.
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SteveS1
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Point me to where I called somebody anything?
SteveS1
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I find it amusing that supporting the opposition to the Tories comes first to most and worrying about whether the stance of the opposition on all issues is always to be admired second. Without the first, the second doesn't even come into play.
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