Muttley2
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And them tooIndia?
And them tooIndia?
I’d take criticism from that shit as a particular badge of honour. He needs to go before a war crimes tribunal. He can join Putin and AssadBrass neck springs to mind.
As for drawing parallels with 30's Germany, well..
Netanyahu labels US student protests ‘antisemitic’ and calls for them to end
Israeli prime minister terms pro-ceasefire rallies ‘horrific’ as students demand universities divest from weapons makerswww.theguardian.com
Anti-Semitic in this usage means anti Israeli policy, which must be defended in all cases because of Israeli nationalist sentiment, which has long been conflated with Jewish identity. So if you hate Israeli genocide, you hate Jews. The logic is inescapable--apparently.Yep, let's strip this down to the bones.... if you don't agree with mass murdering Muslim babies and children in the name of 'anti-terrorism' you're anti-Semitic. That is Natanyahu's (and some of the general Israel population's) view now.
That's fantastic, thanks.
In Netanyahu's vision of things you are perfectly right. But I'll give an example of how anti-Israeli feeling has become anti-semitic:Anti-Semitic in this usage means anti Israeli policy, which must be defended in all cases because of Israeli nationalist sentiment, which has long been conflated with Jewish identity. So if you hate Israeli genocide, you hate Jews. The logic is inescapable--apparently.
I confess I’d never heard of him until a mate Whatsapped this clip to me.That's fantastic, thanks.
I had no idea Max Porter was so radical.
The thing is Netanyahu is re-framing Israeli and jewish identity in a way that is fascist. It is bad for Israel and bad for jews. It is made worse because he is democratically elected and has the support of the Israeli population.In Netanyahu's vision of things you are perfectly right. But I'll give an example of how anti-Israeli feeling has become anti-semitic:
Today was a national holiday in Italy, "Giornata della Liberazione." This celebrates April 25, 1945, when Italy was liberated from German occupation and its Italian Fascist allies. By tradition, it is also the annual holiday that celebrates "anti-Fascism" as the basis of Italy's subsequent democracy. There are rallies and speeches all over the country, programmes on TV, and so on.
Among those that always take part are the Partisan's Association (by now with very few surviving actual partisans), the trades unions, the political party representatives, and a delegation that commemorates the role of the Jewish Brigade in the liberation of Italy.
Today, the Jewish Brigade contingent was jostled and verbally abused by people with Palestinian flags, and would have been physically attacked but for the police.
Now, the Jewish Brigade fought in north Africa and Italy, before the State of Israel even existed.
The "free Palestine" group should therefore have no bone to pick with them. Also, what does "free-Palestine" have to do with the liberation of Italy in 1945? They came specifically to attack the Jewish Brigade, because it is called "Jewish."
Is this not anti-semitism?
The thing that worries me is that I still haven't seen the Jewish establishment condemning Israel's actions in Gaza - orthodox or not orthodox. Yes, there are Jews who do so, people who identify as Jews. But Judaism is a well organised religion in the UK, with spokesmen. And if the bodies which represent it say nothing to point out the moral reprehensibility of the mass slaughter of Palestinian innocents, then those Jews who do so are easily dismissed as outliers, extremists, dreamers and madmen.The thing is Netanyahu is re-framing Israeli and jewish identity in a way that is fascist. It is bad for Israel and bad for jews. It is made worse because he is democratically elected and has the support of the Israeli population.
However outside Israel jews are protesting his war crimes and genocide in Gaza, he is doing his best to suppress this but is and will be ineffectual.
I'm not sure Israel can come back from the damage he and his allies have done, because attempts at 're-balancing' by the UK/US press are so obviously propaganda.
Otherwise known as the Crazy Hideous Age Of Stupid.Dr Agnes Callamard from Amnesty International on how we're regressing back to before1945 and are pretty much stuffed as a species.
A big up to Democracy Now! for their output.
The thing that worries me is that I still haven't seen the Jewish establishment condemning Israel's actions in Gaza - orthodox or not orthodox. Yes, there are Jews who do so, people who identify as Jews. But Judaism is a well organised religion in the UK, with spokesmen. And if the bodies which represent it say nothing to point out the moral reprehensibility of the mass slaughter of Palestinian innocents, then those Jews who do so are easily dismissed as outliers, extremists, dreamers and madmen.
It would be incredibly appalling if Netanyahu's influence directly - or indirectly - led to Trump getting back into the Whitehouse.
Which means that he should also be facing the war crimes tribunal as a supporterThe Chief Rabbi is cheering the IDF on.
You say this is anti-Israeli feeling that has become anti-semitic. Maybe it is. But I'm going to argue that that doesn't make it a special horror in a world and a human history full of horror. The reason anti-semitism has become so widely regarded as an especially or even uniquely horrible black sin is, obviously, because the of holocaust, and then PR that has used to holocaust to make it so. But it is not the case, I don't think, that anti-semitism is inherently different or worse that any other particular sort of racial or ethnic hate. It's long history, and its horrendous apogee under the Nazis, are, in the end, historical happenstance. Given the modern world's technological abilities, it's increasing population densities, and the nature of the hatreds and nationalisms that continue to flourish, it's only a matter of time before history throws up a new holocaust of similar or greater body count. That will be happenstance too.In Netanyahu's vision of things you are perfectly right. But I'll give an example of how anti-Israeli feeling has become anti-semitic:
Today was a national holiday in Italy, "Giornata della Liberazione." This celebrates April 25, 1945, when Italy was liberated from German occupation and its Italian Fascist allies. By tradition, it is also the annual holiday that celebrates "anti-Fascism" as the basis of Italy's subsequent democracy. There are rallies and speeches all over the country, programmes on TV, and so on.
Among those that always take part are the Partisan's Association (by now with very few surviving actual partisans), the trades unions, the political party representatives, and a delegation that commemorates the role of the Jewish Brigade in the liberation of Italy.
Today, the Jewish Brigade contingent was jostled and verbally abused by people with Palestinian flags, and would have been physically attacked but for the police.
Now, the Jewish Brigade fought in north Africa and Italy, before the State of Israel even existed.
The "free Palestine" group should therefore have no bone to pick with them. Also, what does "free-Palestine" have to do with the liberation of Italy in 1945? They came specifically to attack the Jewish Brigade, because it is called "Jewish."
Is this not anti-semitism?
Sadistic fukkers. I hope a special place in hell is reserved for those vermin.