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Situation in Europe among your partners is quite different and it's only getting worse. Inflation as a consequence of the war is soaring everywhere.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/docum...P-EN.pdf/eda196ce-0a4c-618e-4155-ef2f464fcc4e
Euro area annual inflation is expected to be 8.5% in January 2023, down from 9.2% in December according to a flash estimate from Eurostat, the statistical office of the European Union.

https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/...pe-has-been-worst-hit-and-how-do-they-compare
Inflation across Europe has dropped for the third consecutive month in January, according to preliminary data shared by Eurostat, the European statistics agency

Inflation is still high, but energy prices have come down. While the shocks are still moving through the system; wages are increasing, meaning goods and services still have upwards pressure, it seems we are passed the peak, not soaring.

OECD also has a forecast where you can add the UK as well (it looks similar to the EU except for the higher peak this winter): https://data.oecd.org/price/inflation-forecast.htm?context=OECD
 
Oh my goodness!

Have you been reusing your toilet paper too?

Honestly, inflation is such a terrible price to pay for.... Not having to spill your own blood at the front! I hope Ukranians appreciate the sacrifices you are making.
 
That's all fine, I only asked if Russia benefits from the trade. Meaning - does it earn money that can be directed towards war funding?
There is price cap on oil and from this week also price cap on diesel. It is not possible to stop export, but this reduces their income significant.
 
Don't bet against US in an economic war. We are very good at impoverishing the Slavic brother, while hardly noticing it ourselves. Decades of practice during the Cold War - which of course we won against a much more formidable and far better armed adversary.

This would be like desert.

Yes, the US does have a long history of very successfully declaring economic war on other poorer nations and impoverishing, and worse, the poor even further. But it is also reassuring to see that you finally recognise the relevance to this present conflict of US economic foreign policy in impoverishing Slavic states, though I do not share your apparent glee at such an inglorious history.
 
Yes, the US does have a long history of very successfully declaring economic war on other poorer nations and impoverishing, and worse, the poor even further. But it is also reassuring to see that you finally recognise the relevance to this present conflict of US economic foreign policy in impoverishing Slavic states, though I do not share your apparent glee at such an inglorious history.
Do not turn things around. In Cold war USSR simply cannot keep up with USA in military spendings, civil sector crashed. I do hope today it will be similarly, even if at the moment west is a bit behind.
 
....what is it you feel I'm turning around?
US economic foreign policy in impoverishing Slavic states

I do not think that there is/was such policy. And Dimitry was speaking about Soviet era. In many of those Slavic states which was under Soviets, civil sector was much better shape, many things what you occasionally get as imports from other socialistic countries were good comparing to domestic. I think it was more about military and space competition, not so much concentrating on economics.
 
The Europeans have been pursuing a policy of economic engagement with USSR since 1960s - 60 years if counting continuation of the same policy with RF. Trillions of euros were paid by the West to USSR/Russia - enough to turn that country into a wealthy, stable nation that could challenge anyone in innovation and success.

Unfortunately, all that money went to buy luxury goods by the oligarchs and bribes to western leaders, with the great majority of Russia (outside Moscow and Petersburg) living in essentially 19th century conditions - no indoor plumbing or running water, heating with wood and dire poverty.

Any money that wasn't pilfered went to turbo-propaganda - convincing Russian sheeple they live the best possible life as they froze their butts in their outhouses, and convincing the West that Russia is all powerful as the last of the Soviet weapons rusted out.

So, after hundreds of years, the Russian civilization (with the cotterie of little Slavs in tow) has demonstrated that they are effectively a failed state, with no organizing idea that can unify their people. A public search for a "national idea" has long been a staple of intellectual discussions in the "Russian World" for decades - and no concensus has been found. There is none.

What does the "Russian World" stand for? Deep traditional religiosity? Please, 90% of Russians are avowed atheists. Special "soulfulness" they keep talking about? Russian orphanages are full of abandoned children and Russian elderly flock to illegal "shelters" where they can get a bed or a spot on the floor if they sign over their meager pension.

What we are witnessing is a self-made and self-administered death of a civilization.
 
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Speaking of audiophiles' opinion of the war, I found today by chance some very interesting remarks by infamous Romy The Cat. He's actually very realistic, balanced and sensible - critical of all the major sides in this games. Basically he wrote about Russians what majority of PFM thinks, about Americans/Brits what only a few of us here believe and he's no less critical of post-2014 Ukraine.

A very refreshing from someone who lives in the States, grew up in Soviet Union, was born in nowadays Ukraine - Odessa and don't consider himself neither Russian nor Ukrainian but Jewish.

In a way he made my day, because I truly admire his taste in audio (proper horns and triodes) and music, glad to see it's accompanied by sober and non-partisan viewpoints on politics.
 
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Speaking of audiophiles' opinion of the war, I found today by chance some very interesting remarks by infamous Romy The Cat. He's actually very realistic, balanced and sensible - critical of all the major sides in this games. Basically he wrote about Russians what majority of PFM thinks, about Americans/Brits what only a few of us here believe and he's no less critical of post-2014 Ukraine.

A very refreshing from someone who lives in the States, grew up in Soviet Union, was born in nowadays Ukraine - Odessa and don't consider himself neither Russian nor Ukrainian but Jewish.

In a way he made my day, because I truly admire his taste in audio (proper horns and triodes) and music, glad to see it's accompanied by sober and non-partisan viewpoints on politics.
Can you condense what seems like hours of free form out loud thinking into a succinct paragraph of his views? Most of us will not spend the time for him to get to the point.

For those remotely interested, Russian diaspora in the US came in four waves. First was after the Bolshevik revolution and during the Russian civil war. These were the educated and often monied elites who were escaping impoverishment and often imprisonment and death at the hands of the new regime. Second wave was after WW2, when the smart ones took a chance and ran west among the chaos. Third wave was my own, Russian Jews who could suddenly leave due to a detente deal during Brezhnev's time. These emigrants often left for political reasons - we actually harbored dissatisfaction with living in a totalitarian state. Finally, the fourth wave were Russians who left after the USSR collapse. These folks didn't have much problems with either Soviet or Russian political systems, but they wanted to make more money. US was a natural destination for Russian STEM workers. They came to work and make money, kept their RF citizenship and mostly didn't like the US (uncultured oafs, never heard of great Pushkin), but stayed since they could make 5 times more money than in "the home country."

Roman Bessnow sounds to me like he came in the fourth wave. I could be wrong, though - my uncle, who came late in the third wave watches RT, is a crazy Trumper and anti-vaxxer, really dislikes Ukrainians - still expects great mother Russia to win eventually. Nobody talks to him anymore.
 
The Europeans have been pursuing a policy of economic engagement with USSR since 1960s - 60 years if counting continuation of the same policy with RF. Trillions of euros were paid by the West to USSR/Russia - enough to turn that country into a wealthy, stable nation that could challenge anyone in innovation and success.

Unfortunately, all that money went to buy luxury goods by the oligarchs and bribes to western leaders, with the great majority of Russia (outside Moscow and Petersburg) living in essentially 19th century conditions - no indoor plumbing or running water, heating with wood and dire poverty.

Any money that wasn't pilfered went to turbo-propaganda - convincing Russian sheeple they live the best possible life as they froze their butts in their outhouses, and convincing the West that Russia is all powerful as the last of the Soviet weapons rusted out.

So, after hundreds of years, the Russian civilization (with the cotterie of little Slavs in tow) has demonstrated that they are effectively a failed state, with no organizing idea that can unify their people. A public search for a "national idea" has long been a staple of intellectual discussions in the "Russian World" for decades - and no concensus has been found. There is none.

What does the "Russian World" stand for? Deep traditional religiosity? Please, 90% of Russians are avowed atheists. Special "soulfulness" they keep talking about? Russian orphanages are full of abandoned children and Russian elderly flock to illegal "shelters" where they can get a bed or a spot on the floor if they sign over their meager pension.

What we are witnessing is a self-made and self-administered death of a civilization.
That reads like a racist rant. Likening all Russians to sheep and referring to all Slavs in the diminutive, really is quite hateful while deploring a lack of ‘religiosity’ sounds intolerant and the 90% atheist remark is, according to Wikipedia at least, very wrong
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Russia
 
while deploring a lack of ‘religiosity’ sounds intolerant and the 90% atheist remark is, according to Wikipedia at least, very wrong

Not intolerant at all because the point DimitryZ was making was more to do with the use by Putin of the idea of the two countries having a shared religion or religious past rather than the precise number of Russians who attend church although it is clear that Russia is not an overtly religious country like Saudi Arabia is for example and to suggest otherwise is misleading at best and maybe even deliberate to malign another members character ...
 
Not intolerant at all because the point DimitryZ was making was more to do with the use by Putin of the idea of the two countries having a shared religion or religious past rather than the precise number of Russians who attend church although it is clear that Russia is not an overtly religious country like Saudi Arabia is for example and to suggest otherwise is misleading at best and maybe even deliberate to malign another members character ...
Likening Russian to sheep is intolerant

Referring to Slavs in the diminutive is intolerant

13% is not 90%

Nobody mentioned Saudi Arabia

No maligning going on here, just questioning what appears to be an intolerant post. Anyway, happy to see you taking a stand against maligning another member’s character, perhaps you’ll stop doing it yourself from now on?
 
In addition, there appears to be a strong religious element in the Russian assault on Ukraine:

https://www.usip.org/publications/2022/03/role-religion-russias-war-ukraine

Another in the same vein:

https://www.project-syndicate.org/c...f-ideological-madness-by-slavoj-zizek-2023-02

I’ve seen some content from the US Christian fundamentalist far-right very firmly backing Putin due to his ‘standing up for white Christians and against degeneracy’ etc (i.e. pure fascism). I can’t remember where I saw it so can’t link, but on ‘left tube’ somewhere (e.g. Beau, Vaush, Keffals etc), and many examples. Fox News/Daily Wire are running with pretty much ‘an enemy of the trans people must be our friends’ type idiocy that they use to attack Biden, UN, Nato etc. “Moral degeneracy” is back as a key right-wing trigger again. A psychopathic dictator flattening whole cities in Ukraine and Syria is clearly better from a ‘Christian values’ perspective than a drag show in middle America.
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/07/opinion/russia-ukraine-us-tanks.html

Russia and Ukraine Have Incentives to Negotiate. The U.S. Has Other Plans.


The United States’ recent promise to ship advanced M1 Abrams battle tanks to Ukraine was a swift response to a serious problem. The problem is that Ukraine is losing the war. Not, as far as we can tell, because its soldiers are fighting poorly or its people have lost heart, but because the war has settled into a World War I-style battle of attrition, complete with carefully dug trenches and relatively stable fronts.


Such wars tend to be won — as indeed World War I was — by the side with the demographic and industrial resources to hold out longest. Russia has more than three times Ukraine’s population, an intact economy and superior military technology. At the same time, Russia has its own problems; until recently, a shortage of soldiers and the vulnerability of its arms depots to missile strikes have slowed its westward progress. Both sides have incentives to come to the negotiating table.

The Biden administration has other plans. It is betting that by providing tanks it can improve Ukraine’s chances of winning the war. In a sense, the idea is to fast-forward history, from World War I’s battles of position to World War II’s battles of movement. It is a plausible strategy: Eighty years ago, the tanks of Hitler and Stalin revolutionized warfare not far from the territory being fought over today.

But the Biden strategy has a bad name: escalation. Beyond a certain point, the United States is no longer “helping” or “advising” or “supplying” the Ukrainians, the way it did, say, the Afghan mujahedeen during the Cold War. It is replacing Ukraine as Russia’s main battlefield adversary. It is hard to say when that point will be reached or whether it has been already. With whom is Russia at war — Ukraine or the United States? Russia started the war between Russia and Ukraine. Who started the war between Russia and the United States?

This sudden policy lurch has the look of an accident. The Biden administration sought for weeks to convince Chancellor Olaf Scholz of Germany to provide Ukraine with his country’s Leopard 2 tanks. It was a hard sell. Back in the 1980s when Mr. Scholz, a Social Democrat, was campaigning for European disarmament as a member of his party’s Young Socialist wing, he probably didn’t picture himself in the role of the first chancellor since Hitler to send German tanks into battle on the Russian front.

Mr. Scholz refused to release the Leopards unless the United States released its own best tanks. His desire to move in lock step with the United States surely has something to do with Germany’s dark past. But it may also rest on fears of being rolled. Twice this century, Germany has refused to be dragged into a war to protect the world from an evil dictator: Chancellor Gerhard Schröder led the opposition to George W. Bush’s Iraq invasion in 2003, and in 2011, Mr. Schröder’s successor, Angela Merkel, dissented from the Anglo-Franco-American view that an invasion of Libya would be required to stop Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi from committing a genocide. The German view proved wiser in both instances.

Perhaps this crusade is different. Perhaps not. Mr. Scholz, in the end, acquiesced in the request for tanks. But by insisting that the United States also pledge its own tanks, he offered at least token resistance.

In an age of smart devices, robotics and remote control, the United States’ involvement in the war has always been greater than it appeared. The computer-guided rocket artillery that Ukraine has received from the United States may seem analogous to the horses and rifles that a government might have sent to back an insurgency in the old days. They look at first like traditional weapons, albeit advanced ones.

But there is an important difference. Most of the new weapons’ destructive power comes from their being bound into an American information network, a package of services that keeps working independently of the warrior and will not be fully shared with the warrior. So the United States is participating in these military operations at the moment they happen. It is fighting.

Last spring, Ukraine shocked the Russian navy by using American targeting information to sink the Moskva, a Black Sea missile cruiser. Only months into the war did Russians face up to the fact that officers using their personal cellphones were regularly getting blown up. This past New Year’s Eve, a dormitory full of fresh Russian army recruits in the city of Makiivka was hit by missiles at the crack of midnight, presumably just as the young men were calling their friends and loved ones to wish them the joys of the coming year. The attack killed 89, according to Russian authorities — more than 300, according to the British Ministry of defense, which accused Russian authorities of “deliberate lying” about the attack to minimize their losses.

After such episodes, Russia’s leaders are unlikely to feel that the resistance they are meeting comes from Ukraine. The role of the United States is considerably more active than merely responding to Ukrainian “requests” for this or that. Having itself designed the weaponry in most cases, the United States may have a better sense of which tech solutions are appropriate to local battlefield challenges.

Abrams tanks require experienced technicians for training and repair. Will these technicians be brought onto the battlefield from the United States? Then we will have a situation analogous to the introduction of “advisers” into Vietnam in the early 1960s. “This is not an offensive threat to Russia,” President Biden said of the Abrams tank shipments last month. He’s entitled to his opinion, but it is probably not shared by the Russian leadership.

President Biden’s own advisers are divided on how aggressively to pursue the war. Some even propose to chase Russia out of Crimea. That would promise a new kind of mission for NATO: the conquest, annexation and garrisoning of a population that doesn’t want it.

The Russian invasion of Ukraine has to do with a complicated set of post-Cold War historical trends (like America’s striking post-Cold War rise and its more recent relative decline) and economic accidents (like the vicissitudes of fossil fuel prices). But it is also the latest chapter of an ongoing geostrategic story in which the plot has changed little over the centuries: The largest country by area on the planet has no reliable exit into the world. The most reliable route runs through the Black Sea, where it crosses the trade routes that link the civilizations of Asia to the civilizations of Europe. There, or thereabouts, Russian forces clashed with the armies of many Turkish sultans in the 17th and 18th centuries, Lord Palmerston of Britain in the 19th and Hitler in the 20th.

Speaking last week at the 80th anniversary of the Soviet victory over Germany at the battle of Stalingrad, President Vladimir Putin of Russia described the present war as a similar effort. Russians say the war is about preventing the installation of an enemy military stronghold on the Black Sea, strong enough to close off what has for centuries been Russia’s main access to the outside world. Without Ukraine, Russia can be turned into a vassal state. That NATO intends to bring about the subjugation, breakup or even extinction of Russia may be true or false — but it will not sound implausible to a Russian.


Many Americans cannot resist describing Mr. Putin as a “barbarian” and his invasion of Ukraine as a “war of aggression.” For their part Russians say this is a war in which Russia is fighting for its survival and against the United States in an unfair global order in which the United States enjoys unearned privileges.

We should not forget that, whatever values each side may bring to it, this war is not at heart a clash of values. It is a classic interstate war over territory and power, occurring at a border between empires. In this confrontation Mr. Putin and his Russia have fewer good options for backing down than American policymakers seem to realize, and more incentives to follow the United States all the way up the ladder of escalation.
 
Putin's religious/church buddies often work on his behalf to convince Russian soldiers to die for the motherland by framing the war in Satinist and antichrist terms. The messaging has moved on from Nazis.
 


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