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Scam warning

Discussion in 'classifieds' started by Tony L, Feb 26, 2011.

  1. A friend who’s a member here but rarely post was scammed via Gumtree int he last fortnight. The seller claimed to be from Scotland and the item was a Cambridge Audio steamer. My friend paid £500 via bank transfer and the seller Sent a fake tracking number and suddenly went quiet. Buyer has contacted the courier for the supposed item which they confirmed doesn’t exist. He also contacted the police and gumtree who were less helpful. So beware if you come across this advert.
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  2. Mynamemynaim

    Mynamemynaim 38yrs a Naim owner

    What I did recently was to send the buyer a picture of my passport and a utility bill in my name to reassure him that the bank account he was paying into (in my name) matched the above
    This evidence was all in picture with the item for sale

    It's not an unreasonable thing to do when a buyer is parting with a few grand on trust!
    Mickdale and Darren like this.
  3. madmike

    madmike I feel much better now, I really do...

    I do a bit on fb marketplace with lego and most people are happy to use bank transfer. FB market does have a feedback system which helps buyers see my bona fide. Some buyers insist on paypal which I usually refuse because it is such a buyers charter and more risk for me as a seller, although they think the risk is to them. Actually most people buying and selling lego are a decent bunch.
    Anyone see the guy in Manchester on gumtree, no txts, no offers and always higher end gear. Where he gets it all from I wonder but his ads are off putting.
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  4. outfaced

    outfaced New Member

    With bank transfer the risk is for the buyer only ... with pay pal is almost 50:50 and at least both are traceable.
    In a paypal deal If you do your part (pictures of the goods you are selling, tracking Nr. ect) you have actually more in case of scam, then the buyer sending money to a bank account and just have to wait and hope it gets what he payed for and if not the only option is to contact the police. Even more difficult and risky for the buyer if is not from UK.
  5. madmike

    madmike I feel much better now, I really do...

    I don't usually get a problem with bank transfers. I use FB market which I believe is damaging eBay's core business because ebay are always offering £1 listings which tells me they're worried. FB market has a feedback system so that helps build trust.
  6. If anyone should happen to deal on fleabay with a certain user K.k.muller then let it be known he is a fraudster. Happily took my money for speakers and relisted them the next day for double the price hoping to make more money. A complete waste of space.
    Last edited: Jun 27, 2020
  7. TheFlash

    TheFlash Superhero of Sound

    But you're lucky. You have eBay in your corner. I presume you paid by Paypal so you also have that protection: eBay insists sellers offer Paypal.
  8. Stuart Frazer

    Stuart Frazer pfm Member

    A bit more detail would help us build the picture.
  9. TheFlash

    TheFlash Superhero of Sound

    I won't name the guy here but only last week I engaged with someone selling a DAC on another forum at an excellent (too good to be true of course) price. We exchanged messages, he pointed me to his eBay account including phone number and did reply by eBay message, but refused to transact via that route, despite £1 fee offer at the time. I offered cash on collecton (from London); he had "two more interested buyers, first to pay gets". Alarm bells of course. No way I was going there. I did extensive checks which seemed to confirm he was who he said he was despite texting but resolutely refusing to pick up the phone and speak. London based, name and addres check out on, etc. More alarm bells? I asked for bank details and got the Wirecard/U Bank thing: appalling reputation for being Scam Central, not a bank at all, so I backed out sharpish. A few days later Wirecard went into administration and his personal website disappeared. He's still on eBay and no doubt elsewhere.

    There was a lot, a lot more than usual, which stacked up here. The guys are getting clever. But "too good to be true" really does mean it.
    hifinutt, RogerJW and Stuart Frazer like this.
  10. Darren L

    Darren L pfm Member

    Seemingly even mentioning an interest in a product can now result in being PM'd out of the blue to see if you'd like to buy the product at an inflated price over what the seller paid just a few months ago, dead easy to check. There's chancers and scammers everywhere they can get a few quid.
  11. Mynamemynaim

    Mynamemynaim 38yrs a Naim owner

    eBay has (in theory) a feedback system for good sellers
    Problem is ...these days NO ONE wants to leave feedback on what they have bought...
    Even when you politely ask if they are happy and can feedback be left ... nothing

    eBay could strengthen their business model by making sure feedback is left on purchasing
    But they won't of course

    Don't know if Facebook feedback is similar as I don't use it
  12. RogerJW

    RogerJW pfm Member

    I've just had dealings with a gentleman who seems to live in Germany, re an amplifier that was initially advertised on a Danish website (HIFI4ALL.DK) at a very attractive price. The amp was only on for a couple of days or so, but I had made an initial enquiry, and said that my brother lives in Denmark and could collect it. My suspicions were slightly aroused when he said that they had been planning a visit to Denmark to his in-laws, but didn't go in the end beacuse of CVD. This made more sense later on. He was very articulate, good English, and sent over some nice photos of the amp. I checked the web and couldn't find any of the images he'd sent, so seemed plausible. He wanted to use some system for delivery and payment which a 'friend' of his who works at Deutsche Post/DHL suggested - E-POST. This involves I think paying money up front which is then allegedly held by Deutsche Post/DHL until the purchaser is happy with the item. This was where I began to get suspicious. He sent a PDF purportedly from Deutsche Post describing the process - however the English is not very good, and it just didn't really sound plausible. I couldn't find it on the web anywhere, but what I did find was a warning from DHL saying that they only ever take money for transport and that there have been fraudulent attempts using their logo etc. See:
    The PDF:



    This could be genuine, but somehow not sure. Also the English is not perfect, and you'd think Deutsche Post would get it correct.

    I may have missed out on a bargain, but equally may have saved a lot of euros!

    Apparently too HIFI4ALL.DK is reputed to be used quite a lot by scammers.

    I'd be interested to know if any one has come across this delivery/payment scheme.
    The person I dealt with seemed quite on the level in a way, and when I asked for ID sent me a scan of his passport, but when I subsequently asked for proof-of purchase of amp, photo of serial number, and confirmation of his identity in terms of work or home address, said he would rather sell it locally.
  13. TheFlash

    TheFlash Superhero of Sound

    Alarm bells all over. Nicely swerved!
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  14. stony

    stony pfm Member

    Last edited: Feb 11, 2021
  15. sq225917

    sq225917 Bit of this, bit of that

    One to be aware of, sellers of Quad cd 66 on ebay who pull the S1 tda1541 and replace with a boggo spec chip and fail to mention it. Always worth asking, just saved myself a nasty surprise.
  16. stony

    stony pfm Member

    Another dodgy selling...
    Mark Levinson 5805 advertised on Facebook and some audio forums by Dan Bittman as a new amp.
    No proof of purchase, date code shows 2019 and that's the cash only transaction.
    You will listen to unbelievable stories how bad Paypal is for you and he might become a little bit aggressive at that point.
    That's "a private driver deliver option" only but it looks like I don't want you to collect it because you will see where I live.
    You will be told "you will never find another one" :eek::p:D
    Last edited: Feb 13, 2021
  17. IMS


    After reading this thread I could do with some guidance on how to sell or buy items under the current covid lockdown.

    I can see some people insist on bank transfer and that works as a seller but are buyers really OK doing that ? I get the PayPal clawback concerns if going that route so what is the general consensus on how to do things carefully and sensibly as a private seller whilst not discouraging buyers ? Also how to go about buying and doing checks if sellers only want to accept PayPal gift or bank transfer. Thread has given me a good idea on what not to do but I still have gaps. Currently reading everything I can on this, couriers, insurance, double boxing etc etc so I can get to work trying things in a second system. Buying / selling would all be under a £1000.

    Any advice greatly appreciated. Thanks.
  18. RingeRaja

    RingeRaja pfm Member

    Few months ago I sold FTA Callisto USB cable to Lars from Denmark, everything was fine....Lars, hope you are satisfied with this amazing USB cable :cool:
    It was our first communication and he asked me to buy newspaper and shoot a picture with date.
    I did something better....shoot picture with cable in my hand and part of the communication from computer screen.
  19. GruntPuppy

    GruntPuppy pfm Member

    It's also all a scammer would need to pretend to be you, surely? Damn but this is a minefield :(
  20. Mynamemynaim

    Mynamemynaim 38yrs a Naim owner

    I was happy with the buyers authenticity...I just wanted to assure him that I was genuine and had the goods to well
    It all worked fine
    Obviously I wouldn't send my details out willy-nilly to everyone

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