Answered on your other thread.
Very much so. I don't think I've ever said before that anything 'rocks', but now I shall say it: PFM rocks!
Answered on your other thread.
the zillions of “upgrades” are largely third party offerings,
Not the ones I was referring to. There is almost..or maybe absolutely, no part of the LP 12 which has remained unaltered over time.
It’s been in continuous production for coming up to 50 years though, there have been a steady progression of improvements over that time, but all of the decks made in that time are immediately recognisable as an LP12.Not the ones I was referring to. There is almost..or maybe absolutely, no part of the LP 12 which has remained unaltered over time.
Some of the differences are subtle, and the core character of the deck is largely the same, but it has improved quite vastly over time. What is a good idea, is to listen to a deck before you buy it.Just thinking about this. Off the top of my head the number of different types of each part are:
Lid - 3 ( not counting colour)
Hinges - 2
Plinth - 6
Top-plate - 3
Springs - 2
Spring hanger bolts -1
Nuts - 3
Grommets - 2
Motor - 5 (including thrust plate changes)
Motor PSU - 10
Arm-board - 4 (not including the one-piece alloy ones)
Sub-chassis - 6
Mat - 2
Belt - 1 (really?)
Belt guide - 2
Platter - 1
Bearing/sub-chassis - 5
Base-board - 6
Feet - 1 (Not including the base-boards with feet)
I'm sure some, maybe all of these will be wrong but it was fun to do ;0) Add on the number of aftermarket options and the list of possible combinations is bewildering.
The problem is that all these decks will sound different but look ostensibly the same and this is playing havoc with the used market. Unless you're very familiar with what the LP12 sounds like in various configurations, you don't know what a used deck will sound like or how it compares to others. And values are a mess. Because they all look much the same, people are paying a lot for old decks that are very different under the skin from their younger brothers. I'm seeing early eighties spec decks, or even seventies, up for sale at the same sort of price as a Majik made a few years ago. Good grief. Forty years of a difference!
What is a good idea, is to listen to a deck before you buy it.
Some of the differences are subtle, and the core character of the deck is largely the same, but it has improved quite vastly over time. What is a good idea, is to listen to a deck before you buy it.
I had this conversation with him previously; I must have made a reasoned argument for LP12 speed stability because he put me on ignore.Never had speed stability issues with an LP12... I did with my P5/Neo but Rega did fix that without charge.
No one bats an eyelid with say cars.Take a new Mini for instance compared to one 40 years ago and it's got no original parts at all.
Over the decades I've gone from the very basic,with Basik arm, to Ittok, Lingo, Cirkus, Trampolinn and Karousel. The only "upgrade" that made a significant difference was the Karousel.Having had an LP12 for thirty years the things that got to me were the constant doubt over set-up and the fact that even the slight upgrades were expensive. Yeah, Linn owners talk about how 'huge' every upgrade is but they're not. They've just lost perspective.
Over the decades I've gone from the very basic,with Basik arm, to Ittok, Lingo, Cirkus, Trampolinn and Karousel. The only "upgrade" that made a significant difference was the Karousel.
They issued a new one about 3 years ago but most people thought it was less musical and they went back to the original after several months. The new one was a little thicker.Belt - 1 (really?)
I thought it was quite an improvement, a real shame they reverted. The reason being that the new belt ran at a slightly different speed on decks without a servo.They issued a new one about 3 years ago but most people thought it was less musical and thankfully they went back to the original after several months. The new one was a little thicker.
I don't ever recall Linn doing that before - I.e. going back to an earlier design.
No significant difference from a Basik to an Ittok.. ?Over the decades I've gone from the very basic,with Basik arm, to Ittok, Lingo, Cirkus, Trampolinn and Karousel. The only "upgrade" that made a significant difference was the Karousel.
No significant difference from a Basik to an Ittok.. ?
Now that's interesting.
They issued a new one about 3 years ago but most people thought it was less musical and they went back to the original after several months.
It's better, as is the Ittok to Ekos Mk1, but it's not huge. Most Linn fans would consider it a big upgrade but it's all relative.