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General Election 2024

ks.234 said:
The Unions and the workers will come under enormous pressure

Streeting will paint doctors and nurses as trying to grab a bigger slice of the national cake than anyone else, plus doctors and nurses care for patients whereas Streeting is er, playing a bigger game, looking at the bigger picture etc

There will be little change to the causes of people leaving Health and other public service in droves.

As well as growing debt draining financial resources from the NHS, human resources are walking out the door.

It is down to spending.

Labour have relabelled government spending as good when it is going to private ends (Wealth Fund and GB Energy) but they have labelled it bad for Health and Welfare. Welfare is still always as a drain on the public purse, whereas spending it on private ends has a multiplier effect.

Starmer said that the £28b for the Green New Deal would more than pay for itself because of the multiplier effect.

But he got a right telling off for that one.
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Yes but people don't know that they voting for privatisation so it should be an easy sell for the activists.
 
The Guardian has published its leader on who we want to win the election. It’s Labour, of course. Here is an excerpt.

The party’s poll lead has induced a rush to place Sir Keir in historical perspective before he actually makes history. That may be because people are yearning for the “change” of Labour’s campaign rhetoric. It is what the country needs. The greater the inequality, insecurity and sense of injustice, the more vulnerable democracies are to capture by rightwing demagogues. Imagine the dread of waking up to Rishi Sunak winning. Labour’s vision is calming rather than exciting. Sir Keir may not be inspiring, but he does inspire confidence. He offers compassion, where a lack of it has become a matter of principle for the Tories.
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Lurking in Labour’s manifesto is a plan to give ordinary people opportunity, security and dignity. Bliss in this dawn to be alive? Maybe not quite, but viewed amid the debris of the last decade, Labour’s putative parliamentary majority seems an almost unimaginably hopeful starting point. To create a more equitable society, power must be in the hands of politicians prepared to shape the country that we want to see. That is why the Guardian would vote, with hope and enthusiasm, for Labour to lead Britain to a better future.
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I caught a bit of election coverage this morning on R4, they were talking to people in Wales. Bloke saying Welsh Labour were the worst politicians in the world (like he’d know) & women calling Sunak & KS a ‘wet lettuce’. She then went on to say she was voting for Farage, yep, never far away from a thick racist.
 
ks.234 said:
Labour have relabelled government spending as good when it is going to private ends (Wealth Fund and GB Energy) but they have labelled it bad for Health and Welfare. Welfare is still always as a drain on the public purse, whereas spending it on private ends has a multiplier effect.
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Yes, in that respect, they are the same as the Tories have always been... but there are still differences.
 
Spraggons Den said:
The Guardian has published its leader on who we want to win the election. It’s Labour, of course. Here is an excerpt.
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"He offers compassion, where a lack of it has become a matter of principle for the Tories."

You believe this hypocritical shite?

Come again? Compassion? Tell that to the murdered population of Gaza.

John
 
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Alex S said:
Have to say, all these leaflets are a welcome change from the bloody estate agents asking me to sell the house I rent.
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I viewed a house this afternoon. The agent said he hardly ever went out of the office, "we're all too busy calling people and asking if they want to sell their house"...
 
Seanm said:
Labour’s base falling apart, piece by piece. It’s like they’ve completely discounted everything about politics apart from winning elections, just like Cummings’ Tories did. Apparently no comprehension that they’ll need some kind of popular base in order to govern.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1806718566118363304
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Add the Israel stance, just demand a ceasefire ffs.

www.aljazeera.com

‘No way I can vote Labour’: Will pro-Palestine Brits sway the UK election?

Despite raging protests, those abandoning Labour over Starmer’s position are unlikely to affect the outcome.
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Starmer has decided he'll win these seats anyway and would rather pander to the Sun. It's disgusting and I really hope a couple can turn Green.
 
Seanm said:
Apparently no comprehension that they’ll need some kind of popular base in order to govern
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Not so sure it’s incomprehension so much as a conscious drive to narrowing that popular base. Racism helps that cause too of course, which why Labour are going there
 
Alex S said:
Add the Israel stance, just demand a ceasefire ffs.
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You're being unfair. Labour explained very clearly that calling for a ceasefire is meaningless posturing and would have no effect on the conflict which is why it is absolutely crucial to get the small print right and why they couldn't support the motion backed by the SNP.
 
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