Ten out of 15 for me, not bad as I've actually tried to completely avoid all of this election cr@p but most of the correct answers could have been guessed at.
General Election 2024
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paulfromcamden
Baffled
Piers is actually standing as an independent for Bermondsey on a platform of climate change denial, covid hoax and anti-ulez.
He posts this truly odd video on his Twitter account every day.
Mullardman
Moderately extreme...
Wow! That's a pretty revolutionary stance! You seem to be pointing more to revolution, than to the employment of popular dissent to influence Parliament. Is that really what you want? Are you prepared to bring down our 800 year old Parliament, with its accompanying oversight of encumbent administrations, its defence of our Independent Judiciary and (more or less) Independent Press/Media?
Have you thought that through?
Edit: I'll go further. All of those groups/movements/actions etc.. which you describe are certainly broadly anti establishment and I'm broadly in agreement with their greivances. I'm not sure they'd all turn out to be left wing by our definitions if they ever gained true power, but the main point is that they are all essentially interest/protest groups, which are very clear about what they are against, but maybe rather less sure about what they are for.. and how to achieve it.
If you create enough noise to bring down the house, you have achieved homelessness. Then what?
I'm also reminded of the response attributed to Mark Twain when asked what he thought about Sin. His reply... "I'm agin it" didn't move us forward much...
Finnegan
It’s shite being Scottish!
paulfromcamden
Baffled
As ever the Communists have the best graphic design.
gavreid
Pretty Words...
Shandy?
Mullardman
Moderately extreme...
@Finnegan.
So you do realise that any attempt at revolution outside of the Parliamentary system risks all sorts of unintended consequences?
Just off the top of my head..
Civil War and not just between two camps.
Military Coup
Foreign (almost certainly American) intervention.
The establishment of an authoritarian regime, a la Stalin, Robespierre, Putin, Mao,etc.,etc.
So you do realise that any attempt at revolution outside of the Parliamentary system risks all sorts of unintended consequences?
Just off the top of my head..
Civil War and not just between two camps.
Military Coup
Foreign (almost certainly American) intervention.
The establishment of an authoritarian regime, a la Stalin, Robespierre, Putin, Mao,etc.,etc.
Finnegan
It’s shite being Scottish!
It also established inter alia U.K. Parliamentary democracy in 1649. It threw off British colonialism in the US in 1776. And rid the Romanian people of Ceauşescu in 1989. Liberated the slaves in modern day Haiti in 1781. And in France in 1789, ushered in the modern world as we know it.
Minio
Kind of Sort of Not really...
Left out of the Levelling Up agenda, I imagine.
yeah but apart from that..
Finnegan
It’s shite being Scottish!
Genuinely disgusted that Sunak’s daughters had to hear that crap. But my god, don’t tell me he isn’t aware that’s also what a large section of the Tory party also think of him.
Mullardman
Moderately extreme...
From which, surely, the logical conclusion is to be careful which revolution you pick? You noticeably left out the Russian, Chinese etc., revolutions, which were long, messy and led even via a charitable assessment, to long term authoritarian rule. And given the imperialist shenannigans of Napoleon, I'm not entirely sure the French Revolution was quite the boon to humanity you portray.
By contrast, the Romanian, American and other revolutions were more 'popular', represented pretty much homogenous groups and led to functioning Democracies.
I'm just left wondering what sort of revolution you'd expect in the UK? For a start, we are more comparable to 'former Yugoslavia', than to Romania, in that we already have existing tensions between four national groups, plus significant ethnic and religious minorities, all of whom can be reliably expected to make a bid for their own territorial, economic and religious objectives in the inevitable period of instability which revolution would certainly bring. I've already mentioned the inevitable outside interests, which would include at the least the US, probably Eire, and possibly EU/NATO or even potentially Russia.
But quite apart from all of my educated guesswork above. Consider this. We've spent the whole of this Electoral Campaign period agonising, along with a divided and confused nation, over which way to jump. We have numerous clear political groupings, most of which barely acknowledge the yolk of Neoliberalism under which we all struggle.. much less offer any real way out.
Which leaves me wondering, where is your consensus for a 'popular' revolution coming from..and even if you can create one, how do you prevent outside interference or catastrophic internal strife?
Tony L
Administrator
I guess they view it as a target. Not had one fascist leaflet here yet, though they came last place here in the recent by-election. This seat is between Labour and Galloway as far as I can tell. I’m having no part in it. My Green vote will achieve nothing as usual.
Mullardman
Moderately extreme...
I'm from mining stock going back at least five generations and I am absolutely NOT fooled by Reform.. but don't delude yourself that solid working class communities are anything other than very fertile ground for the propagation of Reform brand populism. All neglected former industrial areas are filled with bitter, disappointed folks who are very susceptible to such shite.
Mullardman
Moderately extreme...
One Labour, two Reform and one 'English Constitution' leaflet here. No sign of the Tories, who haven't had an MP round here since Adam was a lad.
