Are the press doing a good job now?
General Election 2024
- Thread starter gavreid
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Are the press doing a good job now?
Well, its all relative, May polled 42%! Which is more than Corbyn's Labour, Starmer's Labour is polling almost double that of the Tories; that is quite a lot better. Sunak is a poor opponent & is getting a kicking, Corbyn was against a poor opponent who still polled very well. You can spin it in a number of ways, Labour are currently benefiting from the SNP collapse also, then again Corbyn had the same wit the Libs.
I didn't agree with Corbyn on a number of things but I still voted for him as I see the bigger picture of kicking out the Tories.
Apologies if you find me patronising but you completely misunderstood what I was saying.
It's Owen.
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
What is bizarre is that this characterisation of him as some kind of saint is a purely imaginary device for centrists who cannot resolve their current need for something to the left of the Tories with their past contempt for what was our last chance of something genuinely to the left of the Tories
Brian
Eating fat, staying slim
Contempt?
I supported Corbyn and would support him now ahead of Starmer, but reality is Labour lost with Corbyn as leader of the party, his policies were rejected by the electorate and Labour as a party has lost 4 times in a row having done a good job from 1997-2010. It's some turn around but they (the tories) did it and it will take similar to move things back. Something needs to change to remove the tories given their grip on the media and the brainwashing that has gone on. Labour is to the left of what is now a fascist tory party, the tories must lose this election.
That's realism, nothing to do with contempt.
mandryka
pfm Member
Well client journalism exists still. Everyone who plays that game must be doing it with their eyes wide shut.
Tony L
Administrator
The annoying thing is I’m pretty sure his policies weren’t rejected. Things like progressive taxation on the wealthiest, closing millionaire’s tax loopholes, nationalisation of failed utilities, rebuilding the NHS and education, green policies all poll very positively. He lost as a) he was not a good leader, b) the Labour Party itself hated him, and most importantly c) these were Brexit elections and he was staggeringly weak and conflicted on that whole topic. He owns his fail, but I’d argue the (non-Brexit) policies weren’t the problem.
It is a huge shame as it effectively destroyed the Labour Party as a useful political tool. We now just have another technocratic centre-right establishment party wedded to the same old establishment money-laundering, austerity and authoritarianism.
The amusing thing is Starmer looks set to achieve a total wipeout majority on a lower voteshare than Corbyn achieved in 2017. A better example of how fundamentally broken our electoral system would be hard to find. No one wants what Starmer is offering. There is zero enthusiasm for it. Folk just detest Tories for what they have done to this country and our lives. This is 100% a negative election. It is a punishment election.
Jim Audiomisc
pfm Member
Must admit I was fascinated by the smugness that the interviewer showed as he demonstated his failures to understand the reality that:
1) tax taken doesn't evaporate. It can be used to support improvements, provide support for those in need, reduce energy demand via insulation, etc. In essence progressive in helping those who need it, increasing education, etc. Investments we all need to happen.
2) That his narrow view of 'cost' doesn't include the out-of-his-awareness costs of rising CO2 and remaining captive to the likes of Putin, etc. Whereas by building up our green construction we can then both sell to others and help them to have better energy sources as well, etc.
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
My post was not directed at you.
It wasn’t Corbyn’s policies that were the problem, it was the attacks on him from his own party.
Labour are now every bit as neoliberal as the Tory Party, they are promising more of the Tory project, more privatisation, more deregulation, more public service cuts, more austerity, more Tory plans for growth and more genocide.
That is the reality
MVV
pfm Member
The left in the UK have been slowly, progressively and very strategically boxed in by self interested forces. So much so that in order to get elected even after the most disgraceful shitshow of horrendous, deceitful and immoral government the only way they could do it was by small target nothingness. Labour won't win the Conservatives will lose. In the end though the conservative soul saves us by its constant focus on the main chance, right down to the wire, when the bellends are betting on the election date for the sake of £500!
KS234 will chime up about neoliberalism and the pointlessness of Labour but it's just armchair complaining, no one cares what some mad old duffer types in the backwater of a hi-fi forum.
Power is everything.
KS234 will chime up about neoliberalism and the pointlessness of Labour but it's just armchair complaining, no one cares what some mad old duffer types in the backwater of a hi-fi forum.
Power is everything.
MVV
pfm Member
Do you live in a basement?
Brian
Eating fat, staying slim
I didn't say your post was directed at me.
As for the last paragraph, I believe the view of the hard left is Labour are liars. Or is that true only in selective instances? Labour has to get elected, the tories own the media and have brainwashed millions. Labour can't overcome that by promising hard left policies.
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
To characterise anyone who opposes you as hard left is nonsense and no one is proposing hard left policies
The fact is that Starmer is a proven liar, but on policy they have been telling you themselves that they will carry on with the Tory project to increase privatisation, austerity and much else, and, they are not going to tackle what you call brainwashing, they are embracing it.
Labour are promising more Tory ideology, not less
Tony L
Administrator
Does that mean he wins the bet?
