The people who really screwed the PO were the investors who bought into the 2013 privatisation. I left the PO in 2004.
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Jubal
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What? I asked where your assertion that Ed Davey wasn’t respected came from? Evidence. He didn’t take things Horizon related seriously when they crossed his desk, granted. But you’re avoiding the question.
Seeker_UK
Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans
I'm not sure he does want the old USSR back, that's not a goal in this book which is the strategic doctrine he appears to have adopted:
Foundations of Geopolitics - Wikipedia
A couple of objectives jump out:
- The United Kingdom, merely described as an "extraterritorial floating base of the U.S.", should be cut off from the European Union.
- Belarus and Moldova are to become part of Russia, not independent.
- Ukraine (except Western Ukraine) should be annexed by Russia [...] Ukraine should not be allowed to remain independent, unless it is cordon sanitaire, which would be inadmissible according to Western political standards.
- Iran is a key ally. The book uses the term "Moscow–Tehran axis".
- Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social, and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics".
Dugin gets it badly wrong on China (he sees the collapse of it) but then he didnl;t envisage a time when Russia had to pass the cap around for munitions.
Tony L
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Mick is tribal. He’s a Tory. He happily went door to door justifying the lies, grift and till-dipping of Cameron and Johnson, the racist polices of May etc etc. Even now after 14 years of Tory rule has left the UK a hollowed-out shell on pretty much any economic or social metric he prefers to spend his days drunk in Spain than accept that reality. He will not admit his ideology was to blame. He will instead lash out at anything and anyone else. In this case it is Ed Davy, who in fairness was daft enough to trust a now disgraced Tory grifter like Cameron.
Jim Audiomisc
pfm Member
In power/geopolitical terms his aim is a modern version of the Tzarist state/empire. The USSR model provides various useful features and methods for that as a useful means.
Well now's your opportunity to exercise your democratic right and make at least a gesture of amends by voting for the Green Party, if not on behalf of your Grandchildren's and Great-grandchildrens future then at least for the good of all.
Jubal
pfm Member
That’s what started me off. Zero citations. You clearly have none beyond your own assertion of what “The PO” thought.
Ed is well meaning IMO. Knowing he won’t be elected as PM allows some latitude in the current campaign. The coalition wasn’t his finest hour either but I have a grudging respect for the rock/hard place you’d find yourself in wearing his shoes at that time. It’s just a shame you’re maligning people for your own amusement or other justification.
Tony
You really do need to cut out the ad hom.
Yes I am a Tory but less so today, just like millions of other people in the UK.
I think even you don't think I am racist.
I do not spend my time drunk in Spain, having long lazy lunches does not make you drunk.
Criticism is one thing but at least make it realistic.
The privileged socialist will use any excuse, no matter how flimsy, to bash the West and support the mothership. It won't get them into No.10 though.
It is but the next version could be worse (if that is actually possible).
I am not maligning him, just saying as it was.
He is simply was not cunning enough to be a cabinet minister during the final stages of privatisation. The man who did the donkey work was Peter Mandelson and he was as sharp as a razor. Different Ministers with different abilities.
I will agree that it's a useful protest vote and it has crossed my mind.
Somafunk
pfm Member
A real shame that razor didn't slip
Jubal
pfm Member
No answer. Whatever. You have worn me down. But your biased opinion isn’t fact. It’s also troublesome to me that a man needs copious amounts of cunning to be a cabinet minister. Speaks volumes about the company he’s in.
Yes, the Tory Reform party, well, I’d like to think they’d struggle for votes. We’ll probably end up with a Lib/Lab coalition as the default.
My suggestion was more from a humanitarian perspective than political.
Like I said further up, quite a few Tories are joining the Green Party because the world does need treating with more respect.
Finnegan
It’s shite being Scottish!
Mick really does have to stop talking sense, it’s completely undermining my world view.