And some are not.Those who cycle are part of the solution
Yes, there seems to be a presumption on the part of some on this thread that the driver is always at fault, and the cyclist always the victim. This 'them and us' thinking isn't conducive to improving matters, any time soon.Those who cycle are part of the solution
The major difference between the two revolves around vulnerability and capacity to do harm to others. I see illegal behaviour and complete disregard for others by cyclists on a daily basis when I walk around this city. It’s considered the norm by the majority I see to now use the pavement, go through red lights even with pedestrians crossing and other crazy stuff like going down one way streets in the wrong direction. E-scooters are even worse.Yes, there seems to be a presumption on the part of some on this thread that the driver is always at fault, and the cyclist always the victim. This 'them and us' thinking isn't conducive to improving matters, any time soon.
I get that there is a burden of proof but I cannot believe a driver can go without some penalty. A give way sign is just that. The entire justice system seems tilted in their favour but according to a fair few on here it is cyclists who need to be clamped down on.Thanks for clarifying. That decision is not made without recourse to a set of guidelines, including how to assess if the driver was criminally negligent or deliberate in their actions etc. That will only be taken up by fully weighing up the entire set of facts, which you probably aren't privy to.
according to a fair few on here it is cyclists who need to be clamped down on.
A give way sign is a sign which indicates that there is no need to stop if the way is clear. If a driver assesses the road conditions and judges that the way is clear to proceed, they don't need to stop (a Stop sign is different in this regard, and is commonly used when there are hazards, or poor sight lines at the junction). If the driver's assessment turns out to be mistaken, perhaps there's a cyclist who wasn't seen for whatever reason, then an accident may happen. It's not called an accident for no reason. If the driver is negligent or reckless, then yes, they should be punished, but if it's a genuine accident, borne out of human frailty or honest error, then IMHO punishment isn't warranted, regardless of the consequences of the event.I get that there is a burden of proof but I cannot believe a driver can go without some penalty. A give way sign is just that. The entire justice system seems tilted in their favour but according to a fair few on here it is cyclists who need to be clamped down on.
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In the same way that a red traffic light means stop and applies to all users but almost all cyclists ignore them and never get any penalty. Feel free to justify your selective reasoning.I get that there is a burden of proof but I cannot believe a driver can go without some penalty. A give way sign is just that. The entire justice system seems tilted in their favour but according to a fair few on here it is cyclists who need to be clamped down on.
A give way sign is a sign which indicates that there is no need to stop if the way is clear. If a driver assesses the road conditions and judges that the way is clear to proceed, they don't need to stop (a Stop sign is different in this regard, and is commonly used when there are hazards, or poor sight lines at the junction). If the driver's assessment turns out to be mistaken, perhaps there's a cyclist who wasn't seen for whatever reason, then an accident may happen. It's not called an accident for no reason. If the driver is negligent or reckless, then yes, they should be punished, but if it's a genuine accident, borne out of human frailty or honest error, then IMHO punishment isn't warranted, regardless of the consequences of the event.
I have also lost count of the times I have been waiting at a junction for a cyclist who has the right of way, only to see them just turn off with no signals or regard for any other road user.
I’ve lost count of the times some prick (almost always in an Audi or BMW) overtakes me only to immediately slam on the brakes and turn left causing me to emergency brake or swerve. Are you defending these drivers in your stereotyping of all cyclists?
Here's another take on that:In the same way that a red traffic light means stop and applies to all users but almost all cyclists ignore them and never get any penalty. Feel free to justify your selective reasoning.
I have also lost count of the times I have been waiting at a junction for a cyclist who has the right of way, only to see them just turn off with no signals or regard for any other road user.
That's interesting.I live in a rural village & we get many Lycra clad cyclists flying through our village & the surrounding villages.
They approach without caution & will even cycle around you at high speed when using the zebra crossing.
They are extremely dangerous.
Most of them are not from our villages but turn up from all over the country in their cars which I can only assume they also drive with gay abandon.
They also litter the countryside with their disposable drinks, food wrappers etc.
Glad that you've caught on.5000 points for wheelspinning through horse excrement as Stevie pedals by
You know, Audi drivers, we are all 'twats' so may as well prove the point and have a bit a fun eh?