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Cyclists to be awarded equality with motorists.

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Rob998, Aug 6, 2022.

  1. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr neither here nor there

    I guess what's being said here is that everybody has responsibility for their own, and others' safety while using the road, and anybody who doesn't is a twat. So don't be that twat.

    And that, sometimes, justice requires that somebody who caused a bad thing didn't actually do bad stuff, they were just human and fallible so they don't deserve punishment.
     
  2. awkwardbydesign

    awkwardbydesign Officially Awesome

    I am a motorcyclist, and most of that applies to some. Except the littering bit, as it is hard to do that when riding a motorbike. I stick to the speed limits and keep my revs down, but many don't.
     
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  3. Andrew C!

    Andrew C! Been around a while....

    Rufford water splash has claimed many who thought they’d get away with it.

    lol

    Pedal cycles do feature in the RTA for specific circumstances. I’ve prosecuted accordingly when those circumstances have been met, including careless cycling, and also riding whilst unfit thru drink/drugs.

    Agreed. A bit of common sense and objective interpretation of available offences usually points in the right direction. Actually there is attendant legislation that asks prosecuting agencies to ensure that happens.

    Speeding cyclists can be pretty similar to speeding vehicle drivers in my book, as a general rule. I’ll go get my coat…
     
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  4. Woodface

    Woodface pfm Member

    I don’t have a problem with that in theory but the current situation is that car drivers are generally treated very leniently, it just become ‘one of those things’. My fear is that cyclists will end up being treated more harshly due to the novelty factor, they will certainly get more negative media coverage.

    If you look at sentencing for drivers it is very low compared to what it should be; o think we both agree on that. How about we properly enforce the laws we have?
     
  5. Woodface

    Woodface pfm Member

    Almost all cyclists run red lights, where is your evidence? It’s just confirmation bias.

    So because you stop at a give way it ok for another driver to assume otherwise? I don’t get your logic? A few seconds delay worth seriously injuring someone?

    I always pull into the middle of the lane when approaching a junction as I expect the car to overshoot the line. I reckon about 50% do
     
  6. gintonic

    gintonic 50 shades of grey pussy cats

    yes all should be treated with parity. If car drivers are treated leniently then cyclists should.

    This isn't a negotiation - if you read what I wrote carefully, you'll see I said this isn't about process and implementation.
     
  7. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    Had my chariot in for an AC re-gas ( another story there, it's knacked ) and on going for a walk to fill time a cyclist went through a red on a busy roundabout as I was crossing on a green man light. I had to stop in the road, the temptation was strong...

    They don't all do it but many do. The denial here of this behaviour from a significant number of entitled morons is laughable.

    He wasn't in lycra, so no use of 'lycra clad', which will help at one sensitive soul.
     
  8. Paul L

    Paul L coffee lounge for me

    Crikey what a toxic thread in parts. Alas I’m an Audi driver (not the way it is stereotypically described) and a cyclist (not the way it is stereotypically described) but if the prejudices here are broadly held across the population I’m stuffed whichever activity I’m trying to do responsibly.
     
  9. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    Evidence? It looks like confirmation bias.
     
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  10. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    The trouble here is some of the 'lycra-clad' :) cyclists think they are a special case. I guess they might be in a certain way...

    The majority are sensible and just want people treated the same if driving a car/riding a bike in a dangerous fashion.
     
  11. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    One thing that genuinely scares me around here is the number of clearly stoned drivers. So often a car will pull up at the lights accompanied by a huge skunk stench. I’ve never liked dope, just not a drug I’ve ever got along with (plus I’ve seen it destroy friends), but I know enough about it to know how it screws up perspective and reaction times at least as much as drinking a hefty dose of alcohol. It doesn’t make the person as aggressive, but I’d say at least as likely to make a mistake and kill someone. No idea how the police deal with it.
     
  12. martin clark

    martin clark pinko bodger

    - That's a very concise summary I like.

    And +1 @Tony L 's point re: stoned drivers. I often near-daily- drive & /or cycle in Bristol: and every time I do, at some point I'll experience the stench of such from some adjacent car or van, in even light traffic. It is everywhere, at all times of day.
     
  13. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    Clearly a gap in my education/way I live as I have no idea what this stink is like.
     
  14. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr neither here nor there

    It’s a consequence of leaving road policing to cameras - speed and ANPR. The messaging is: ‘don’t speed, or fail to have tax or insurance and you’ll be ok’. Cameras can’t detect drugs or drunks.
     
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  15. Arkless Electronics

    Arkless Electronics Trade: Amp design and repairs.

    True story of a bizarre incident that happened to someone I knew (haven't seen for many years).

    He was walking in the Lake District late at night with his GF and a few mates on way back from pub in the middle of nowhere and getting close to the bottom of a steep hill on an unlit single track road when he heard a faint noise like the wind getting up.... but it was completely still.... he turns around to face the direction he thought the noise was coming from, and, as it was a single track in the boondocks at about 1AM and no noise of approaching car engine he stood in the middle of the road... (you can see where this is going). A couple of cyclists with no lights on were freewheeling down the steep hill and doing maybe 20 - 30 MPH when one of them ran head on into my mate! The cyclists helmet headbutted my mate and he ended up hospitalised with broken jaw, missing teeth, broken nose, broken ribs plus many cuts and bruises! Cyclist also taken to hospital with various cuts and bruises but nowhere near as bad.
     
  16. S-Man

    S-Man Kinkless Tetrode Admirer

    I get a similar issue very freqently...
    Near my house there is a moderately steep hill about 200 yards long with a left turn at the bottom of the hill. It's a 30 limit, changing to 40 about 100 yards after the turning.
    I cycle down the hill at about 25 to 30 MPH and stick my arm out very early to show that I will be getting out of their way very soon. Approx 30% of drivers will still overtake (dangerously!) at 40+, often with cars coming the other way.
    It makes me so angry that they risk my safety to save 1 or 2 seconds :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:.

    Why do people spend huge sums of money on a car and are then so desperate to get out of the ficking things ASAP?
     
  17. farfromthesun

    farfromthesun pfm Member

    The temptation to do what was strong?
     
  18. Roog

    Roog pfm Member

    I suppose they could all drive a motor vehicle instead, now that would be a huge help on every level.

    I once had a difficult discussion with a group of staff at work, apparently the new secure cycle storage bay took up space which could have been made into a car parking bay, obviously it would have been preferable for all of the cyclists to drive to work in their separate cars. Duh!
     
  19. Woodface

    Woodface pfm Member

    Fair enough.
     
  20. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    Well, it was tempting to keep going and be knocked over by a lunatic on a bike by not stopping in the middle of the road, of course. Obviously, the chance of a free cruise and a new car was possible as long as I survived the assault from the law breaker jumping the red light, but I decided certainty of life in one piece was preferable, so I stopped despite the temptation. I did fear the law breaker wouldn’t be insured and other law breaking types who jump red lights would blame me for daring to cross the road on a green man with a cyclist approaching a red light.

    HTH
     
    Last edited: Aug 10, 2022
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