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Coronavirus: Pubs 'may need to shut' to allow schools to reopen

Discussion in 'off topic' started by George J, Aug 1, 2020.

  1. Marchbanks

    Marchbanks Hat and Beard member

    Joe, thanks for the Rorschach test. I see a poodle in the middle and two footballers trying to head the same ball on the right. The one on the left is tricky, but I’m going for a lawnmower. No, make that a guy struggling to make progress on a bike. Although he’s on the level, which is a bit odd.

    How did I do?
     
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  2. lordsummit

    lordsummit Moderator

    Well maybe lecturers should be judged like teachers on their engagement.

    However, as the current high infection group appears to be the young adult group, surely those who work and have offices in those environs should be subject to the same rules as teachers if your plan is the appropriate one. Or would that be unpalatable for you? Willing to talk it but not walk it as they say?
     
  3. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

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  4. Joe P

    Joe P certified Buffologist / mod

    Marchy,

    It’s clearly a Gorn’s head in profile. I’m surprised you didn’t see that.

    [​IMG]

    Joe
     
  5. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

  6. SteveS1

    SteveS1 I heard that, pardon?

    Don't let the door hit your arse......
     
  7. gintonic

    gintonic 50 shades of grey pussy cats

    and they are
     
  8. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    over and over and over again
     
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  9. matt j

    matt j pfm Member

    It seems to me these go-getter, wealth creator, men of industry cretins that people fawn over are no great shakes, they're just Arthur Daley types that caught a break. To hear someone like Alan Sugar speak you'd think he'd escaped from an asylum or home for the mentally ill.
     
  10. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    Yes. Starmer’s lack of support for the unions was contrary to one of his 10 pledges. If he had supported the unions he’d be in a good ‘I told you so’ position now.
     
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  11. PhilofCas

    PhilofCas pfm Member

    I’d say ‘some room for improvement’, the dog is a miniature schnauzer, the left had one is a fully stocked shopping trolley and right hand one is 2 people peering up to a blood red moon :).
     
  12. dweezil

    dweezil pfm Member

    Everything is connected, we look at aggregate risk throughout the population, we could swap options endlessly to achieve a given transmission rate.
     
  13. lordsummit

    lordsummit Moderator

    So is attendance at lectures not used as a measure of engagement?

    Are you willing to ‘take one for the team’ and not go out for a meal, go to the pub?
     
  14. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr Well, I can dream, can’t I?

    Yes, but the government has been arguing that the increased risk for schools opening is minimal. But now it isn’t? How’s that work then?
     
  15. Cav

    Cav pfm Member

    Prof Medley is not a "government advisor" except that he attends SAGE meetings. His view does not seem to be agreed by others.

    If pubs have to close then, by whatever logic he uses, all other non-essential retail would have to close again.
     
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  16. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    All the pubs I’ve been have been well managed with social distancing and a host of safety measures.

    Closing the beaches would make more sense

    [​IMG]
     
  17. lordsummit

    lordsummit Moderator

    I have no idea. However I personally have come to the conclusion looking at my kids that they need to be there. Just the simple matter of sports clubs being back has made a huge difference to the mental wellbeing of both of them. If I don’t get back to work soon, I won’t have a job to go to. In my mind I’ve decided the risk to me of schools reopening is worth it. I’ll be visiting lots of schools a week and directly facing young children. I know most of my teacher friends fee the same way. To my mind I can’t see an alternative. Kids are more important than pubs.
     
  18. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr Well, I can dream, can’t I?

    I don’t disagree. I’m just interested that they singled out pubs, not other places where people congregate. And that this is only happening now. It’s almost like we’ve been bad and now we’re being grounded.
     
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  19. lordsummit

    lordsummit Moderator

    I think it’s possibly that the combination of alcohol and people together is a volatile one. I would hope that by now SAGE et al have modelled it all so much that they can predict what impact an action should have on the r number. However I’m also not naive enough to believe that to be so. I suspect it’s more of a dog whistle from a responsible scientist trying to get Joe Public to toe the line because the government isn’t willing enough to flirt with unpopularity and actually enforce anything.
     
  20. Joe P

    Joe P certified Buffologist / mod

    Students, teachers and instructors can wear a mask, but how do patrons in a pub drink with a mask on? Add to that the correlation between amount of alcohol consumed and covidiocy.

    Joe
     
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