russel
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Wash your mouth out with soap! Britain doesn’t invest in automation, automation is for wimps, a bowl of gruel and the workhouse is the way to prosperity.
Brexit: give me a positive effect... X
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Wash your mouth out with soap! Britain doesn’t invest in automation, automation is for wimps, a bowl of gruel and the workhouse is the way to prosperity.
It's a good question.
Unless we define the target society we want, and stress test in some fashion for achievability, we will never know will we?
I said this before. Our lack of long term vision is painfully apparent, and the fact that the world's largest manufacturing base - China, has clearly spelt out it's vision, just exascerbates matters.
I do think that unless the West arrives at some kind of balance with China, there will be some kind of war over resources. I know that the Remain faction deride the notion of the CommonWealth, but to me it's a loose Union which could have a serious part to play in the future.
Somafunk
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I fully expect Jacob Rees Moog (haunted pencil child catcher) to submit new parliamentary decrees stating that the first born child should be handed over to the state for "work and production duties" so we can show those dastardly filthy foreigners how we will become the # 1 world power and regain our empire
Colin Barron
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What has most items we buy made in China, retail shops disappearing, delivery by driverless vehicles and making no money from companies dumping profits outside of the UK have to do with Brexit?
doctorf
left footed right winger
The OP asked
'Brexit: give me a positive effect... X'
I was not pro Brexit and certainly didn't vote for it, but I can well remember pre 1975 when most of the Common Market countries in Europe were basket cases &/or bankrupt.
Germany and, to a lesser extent France, were the only countries with two pennies to scratch their arses with.
Time moves on, but the latest EU vaccine supply fiasco would suggest that they still couldn't organize a piss up in a brewery.
'Brexit: give me a positive effect... X'
I was not pro Brexit and certainly didn't vote for it, but I can well remember pre 1975 when most of the Common Market countries in Europe were basket cases &/or bankrupt.
Germany and, to a lesser extent France, were the only countries with two pennies to scratch their arses with.
Time moves on, but the latest EU vaccine supply fiasco would suggest that they still couldn't organize a piss up in a brewery.
The vaccine roll out seems to be going quite well in the UK. Other than that, can you point to anything here that has been handled with any competence in the last year or more?
doctorf
left footed right winger
I can, but I’m not going to.
Brian
Eating fat, staying slim
I guess the UK electorate had other considerations in mind when they cast their vote in 2016.
Out of interest, can you give examples of items you have to buy from the UK?
I’m also interested in the comparative cost of something you will now buy from an EU member country that you would previously have bought from a UK retailer. Any examples please?
All of this is normal, the UK is now not a member of the EU. I remember in December 1980, 16th to be exact, flying into Heathrow from Singapore and paying a bob in customs for a load of stuff. It was all still good value.
richardg
Admonishtrator
I'll get mine via a contact I have here in Strasbourg.The advantage of bulk buying is the price they paid but at this moment it looks like somebody screwed up somewhere.
In your case with I believe nearly 50% or maybe more suggesting they will not take a vaccine you might be lucky. I know you are only a young fella so wouldn't be due it till the very end anyhow.
Update: It appears that Astrazeneca might have sent vaccines purchased by the EU to some other destination. The EU have asked the company to account for deliveries. Guessing here but maybe there is a suspicion that somebody offered lots of money to divert production. Time will tell if there is any truth in this story.
So far France is promising 5 million vaccinations by June....that will be a lot of death across the EU for 2021. You must all be rather grateful you live in Uk right now?
Colin Barron
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With a population of 67 million they must be hoping for herd immunity or are they waiting for their vaccine later in the year?
That's me told.
richardg
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I dont think anyone has a clue here. But anyway, Macron is expected to deal with it splendidly by moving the current 6pm to 6am curfew to a total lockdown until further notice.
It may be time to take a few months off back in Blighty. It's a proper bordel over here!
eisenach
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An interesting report on the France 2 news tonight. Traffic between Cherbourg and Ireland is up three times compared with the same period last year. Irish hauliers avoiding Holyhead/Dover and all the delays and paperwork. An swedish horse owner avoiding the UK and two sets of veterinary bills to get to Eire.
The bulletin's here, starting at 22 mins: https://www.france.tv/france-2/journal-20h00/2205083-edition-du-lundi-25-janvier-2021.html
Earlier in the bulletin, what they say about the Moderna vaccine, doesn't tally with what I read on the BBC website.
The bulletin's here, starting at 22 mins: https://www.france.tv/france-2/journal-20h00/2205083-edition-du-lundi-25-janvier-2021.html
Earlier in the bulletin, what they say about the Moderna vaccine, doesn't tally with what I read on the BBC website.
SteveS1
I heard that, pardon?
Yes with one of the worlds biggest death tolls, we're really celebrating.
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
British paups is cheaper than robots.
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
ssshh! You’re disturbing the central claimed benefit of Brexit- “we might be sh1t but they’re even more sh1t over there somewhere”.
Seeker_UK
Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans
wiresandmore
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yes, as I said above, trade switching from UK to other countries in EU + avoiding the mess of the land bridge through Holyhead and Dover.
wiresandmore
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Before Brexit, I didn’t *have* to buy anything from the UK as such, I used to buy almost all the electronics (sundry + big items too), household bits and pieces and toys etc from Amazon with some specialist retailers on occasion. It was easy to do. Normally it arrived next day or 48h worst case.
Looking at Amazon.fr and .de it seems pretty much the same price and it’s in EUR too. The UK site is no cheaper from what I can see and the delivery will be now slower than .fr/.de as there is no holdup in customs this side.
There will be a small number of things I may have to source from the UK sites but it will be a last resort in case I can’t get elsewhere in the EU.
tonerei
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Often on stuff like woodworking or electrical tools the UK could be cheaper because of economies of scale. Their tool shops could probably buy a batch of 300 or whatever off De Walt. Irish shops I think often wouldn't get as good a price because they would be buying in smaller quantities. We generally always took the UK option because of the language thing but once you settle in to the French and German etc sites the same 'bargains' can be sourced. In some ways it will be a benefit for Ireland as less people will source stuff in mainland Europe.
UK is now back to last resort as you rightly pointed out. Repeat this story across all trade coming to and from the UK and easy to see the impact.
Also that nice option of getting stuff sent through NI using parcelmotel to minimize post charges is now gone.
A lot of Irish people often got house loads of stuff delivered from UK bathroom suppliers for example. This was easy and spawned a system of lorry and van drivers supplying services across the Irish sea in both directions. This will disappear.
As you pointed out a lot of this stuff is available from the continent at similar prices and this will be the option people will gravitate towards.
De Valera practiced isolationism after independence. Ireland stagnated as a result.
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