tuga
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i think we should have managed the empire so that countries wanted to be part of it
Is this serious? Which countries would have wanted to be vassal states of the UK?
i think we should have managed the empire so that countries wanted to be part of it
If Scotland got the independence becasue of Brexit, it would be a Brexit benefit for both sides.Brexit isn't a crutch for an argument here. It's the game changer for Sturgeon - she wouldn't have much of a case without it. I understand you as a brexiter are keen to distance Brexit from it's consequences, but it doesn't fly when threatening the Union was outlined very clearly as a risky outcome.
If Scotland got the independence becasue of Brexit, it would be a Brexit benefit for both sides.
PortugalIs this serious? Which countries would have wanted to be vassal states of the UK?
What are you trying to show by posting this graphic yet again?
What are you trying to show by posting this graphic yet again?
Many local rulers with weak claim to the throne (2nd in line etc) backed by the threat of UK force. This method was invented by the Romans, but perfected by the UK in S and SE AsiaIs this serious? Which countries would have wanted to be vassal states of the UK?
Is this serious? Which countries would have wanted to be vassal states of the UK?
That most people in Scotland voted remain.
What are you trying to show by posting this graphic yet again?
You may not be aware that the nationalist party in Scotland has existed for nearly 100 years, their desire to break up the UK is nothing to do with brexit, remain or leave.
In general, it’s said the tories don’t have a mandate for taking the UK headlong down their ideological path and I agree. Explain why the SNP does in Scotland. Here are the numbers from the 2019 GE.
UK in 2019
Electorate = 47,568,611
Tory vote = 13,966,454 (29%)
Scotland in 2019
Electorate = 4,053,140
SNP vote = 1,242,380 (30%)
2.8 million people from the electorate of ~4 million in Scotland did not vote SNP. Like the tories, the SNP benefits from FPTP at a UK GE and is good at propaganda.
It’s a bit daft but I’ve seen people refer to the EU leave vote as a percentage of the entire UK population, so I will take the liberty of adding the population in Scotland in 2019 was 5.454 million, just over 1 in 5 people support the nationalist party.
Note also that the representation in the Scots Parliament is based on a proportional system, and the Greens + SNP have the Government at present.
I'd be interested to know the source of your figures, and for later times.
Well, yes. Why you posted it remains a mystery but I won’t bother with it because this thread is not about brexit.That most people in Scotland voted remain.
Well, yes. Why you posted it remains a mystery but I won’t bother with it because this thread is not about brexit.
GE results from Wikipedia, I'd guess.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_United_Kingdom_general_election_in_Scotland
It's probably a better indicator or Scots' attitudes towards the relationship with the Union than the national elections which may be more about whos best running the devolved powers.
Is this serious? Which countries would have wanted to be vassal states of the UK?
The figures are a matter record. I’ve posted them before but I don’t now have the links to hand, however, numbers in the electorate and the number of votes cast per party for a GE is easy to find. Do you dispute the figures? If so, please post a credible source to what you consider the correct figures should mine be wrong.I'd be interested to know the source of your figures, and for later times.
Note also that the Greens support Scots Independence. FWIW I tend to vote for them.
And in an election people may vote 'tactically' or on a number of issues.
Note also that the representation in the Scots Parliament is based on a proportional system, and the Greens + SNP have the Government at present.
However coming back to the main point wrt the *Court Case*: This shows quite clearly that the 'partnership' is NOT one of 'equals'. As exampled in previous postings.
Perhaps it is a "mystery" to you because you remain unaware of the way a 'warning' that "Leaving the UK would mean being out of the EU and not allowed to stay in *or* rejoin the EU" (1) was repeatedly made during the IndyRef by the Tories and others. The idea that absolutely no-one was deterred by that seems implausible. It certainly affected me. How many others allowed it to change their vote I can't say. But it certainly was a factor.
(1) Spain and Catelonia was repeatedly used as a means to promote this claim. Again, though, you may be totally unaware of this use of that case to sway IndyRef votes against voting for Scots Independence from the Uk. So I think it likely that the *Tories* thought it would significantly sway voting.
The mystery is why a majority for remain in Scotland is cited as a valid reason for Scotland to be in the EU while at the same time a majority for leave across the UK is not seen as a valid reason to leave. It’s not really a mystery, tbh.