There isn’t going to be PR in my lifetime. That’s the lasting legacy of the ‘progressive’ LibDems. Bloody awful party, worse than the tories, imo.I can only speak for myself.
I support a Labour split.
But only after PR.
So Labour can't split (yet).
Chicken/egg.
The problem is that there are proportionately less of them, outnumbered by furious pensioners walking around with their faces like thunder every time they hear about foreigners.
Andy Burnham has won the GM mayoral election after winning a landslide 67.3 per cent of the vote, an increase from four years ago.
Manchester is red! Burnham for Labour leader!
This may be a naive question but, why do you guys think that Andy Burnham is a member of Labour? What is it in the Labour Party which keeps him there?
Ignore the will of the voters at your peril.
Interesting comment in The Times;
If labour had voted for May’s withdrawal deal... May would have been PM for 2019 election there would be no Boris,no Brexit and no Red Wall. But Starmer et al knew best played hardball and campaigned for a second referendum this directly led to Boris becoming leader,a landslide election win,hard brexit and loss of the northern and midlands seats for a generation. Well played to the remain labour MP’s you’ve played an absolute blinder!
Ignore the will of the voters at your peril.
As an aside the country’s net worth has actually increased by 4% post pandemic due to rising house values.
Well more fool you.The problem is that the alternative was capitulating to the xenophobic far-right/fascist rhetoric from both the likes of Farage, Yaxley Lennon, and from May herself who had unleashed ‘go home’ vans as part of her utterly toxic ‘hostile environment’ etc. Plus the Windrush debacle where her racism actually killed people. Decent people simply can not go along with this far-right shit. It is impossible for us to do. Sorry. We may, by chance, have ended up in a slightly better nightmare than the one we are currently in, but it is simply impossible to contend. History has many lessons about turning a blind eye to racist/xenophobic rhetoric and many of us were not prepared to ignore them. We had to fight with whatever tools we had at every single step. We are still fighting.
Desperate men do desperate things.Sir Keir has just sacked Angela Rayner.
It was all her fault.
Starmer is rapidly becoming a liability. In denial and panicking. Only a matter of time until someone comes out and says he must go. My money would be on McDonnell or Abbott.
House prices have gone up due to a shortage of supply, they have risen faster this year. This is a fact. Houses with gardens have rocketed.No it hasn't at least in real terms. Wealth has not been created assuming the housing stock has remained essentially the same. The banks have printed some money and that has redistributed wealth within the UK from non-housing wealth like labour to those that own houses. For the UK as a whole printing money without creating wealth has devalued the currency. Preventing this type of socially destructive behaviour is a job for politicians which they have increasingly ceased to do over the last few decades. Both labour and conservative. It is not exactly difficult to address given it didn't used to happen and so if Starmer and labour were to start talking about the problem and how to they would address it...
Sir Keir has just sacked Angela Rayner.
I dislike Rayner, cannot stand the way she plays to out dated northern stereotypes as if we are all ‘gobby & speak our minds’ etc. It does seem a bizarre piece of timing though, almost too soon. I wonder who will come in, probably some ex Blairites?Christ almighty, pathetic! Obvious scapegoating and a panicked attempt to be seen to "do something". It will fix nothing.
Don't have much time for Rayner since she abandoned any principles she had to climb the greasy pole, but this move reflects very badly on Starmer.
I guess the sensible thing would be to look at those places that limited the damage or made gains, and ask what Labour have been doing right in those places, and think about how those things might be developed in other areas and nationally.I have no idea what Labour is meant to do at this point, although I have yet to hear a Hot Take that wasn't a) reheated from sometime in the last 40 years and didn't work and b) wholly unconvincing.