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Spoke with my mum on the phone yesterday. Lifelong labour voter (albeit in a safe Tory seat), and until Brexit, someone I considered a fellow liberal. Brexit has changed her. She doesn't like BJ, but she's furious at those trying to "subvert the will of the people". I mentioned to her that it may no longer be the will of the people now that the reality pf Brexit is clearer, but that did not make a difference. She doesn't like Corbyn due to the nasty shadowy momentum types behind him, but when I suggested Keir Starmer would have been a better alternative she went off about how he is trying to subvert Brexit.
WTF is it with Brexit that has so corrupted so many folk's minds and arrested any rational thinking ? It's like a doomsday cult has brainwashed half of the UK population.
The only cult in town is the effing EU. Bizarre.
No, I suspect there will be no meeting of minds. I can quite understand a moral and philosophical objection the the EU, especially if it revolves around deceit and grandiosity. But to object to deceit and grandiosity on one hand, and vote for the arch deceiver and the very embodiment of grandiose pomposity that is Boris Johnson on the other, smacks of one hand not knowing what the other is doing
You make my own point for me. We can, and will, sack Johnson when he fails. We can't get near the European Commission, nor any of the other institutions of the EU bar to some degree the EP, by any democratic means.
We probably won’t meet on your last point, as long as the UK system continues to offer power to the likes of Johnson, Raab, et al. It’ll probably take 5 years to get a chance to sanction the harm that I fear will be unleashed on Friday, by which time lasting damage will have been done. In many cases, the damage will be irreparable (premature death being tricky to fix). I’d rather stay in a flawed EU that prevents the worst excesses I fear we’ll soon see, than leave and ‘win back’ the right to give the culprits a bit of a ticking off, after the event, via the ballot box. But that’s just me.
Let's hope that your fears re Johnson are unfounded, or at least won't be realised in their full horror. I can't agree on a Johnson government's excesses being worse than the EU's. Sorry to raise it again like a stuck record, but the what the EU did to Greece specifically and southern Europe more generally is completely inexcusable. Johnson will not shrink the UK GDP by 25%, pour hundreds of thousands onto the employment scrapheap, and destroy pensions, businesses and livelihoods.
Corbyn, by contrast, probably - and many pretty wise heads would maintain almost certainly - will.