Joe Hutch
Mate of the bloke
Well, if you're going to quote Marx, you might as well quote him correctly, otherwise people might think you haven't read him at all and are in fact a capitalist running dog posing as a Marxist.
"Theorise less, listen more and learn more"
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Well, if you're going to quote Marx, you might as well quote him correctly, otherwise people might think you haven't read him at all and are in fact a capitalist running dog posing as a Marxist.
Daniel Quinn
Banned
That is the point of a forum: to pool knowledge and opinion. It's just as important for you to report that USB cables made no difference for you as it is for others to say it did for them. Else what is this place for?
But right now we have a situation where people are inhibited about sharing their experience because they know a handful of (frankly, rude) posters with delusions of omniscience will jump on their case telling them they're ignorant, irrational or worse.
merlin
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Define rational?
Is it not rational for human beings to need to dream, to have unknowns in their otherwise humdrum existences?
Indeed is it not a human necessity as evidenced throughout history?
As a rational human being, were science able to predict the hour of your death, would you want to know?
Julf
Facts are our friends
How do we *know* that?
Of course. But my point is also that you won't ever make any progress if you go chasing every wild goose you see, over and over again. At some point there needs to be a good reason to waste time and energy if your current way of doing things is working OK.
Unless the first monkey has a history crying wolf all the time.
whatsnext
Naimless
You take me tooooo literally but thanks for sharing your opinions. BTW re backrupting a modest lottery win funded this investigation. Careful of your assumptions
John
Rack’em Up!
Which is why forums like Steve Hoffman discourage objectivist/subjectivist debate. Here it's become commonplace.
Julf
Facts are our friends
I give you 3 relevant definitions (as we don't care about maths or chemistry at this point):
- Capable of reasoning. ("Man is a rational creature")
- Logically sound; not contradictory or otherwise absurd. ("His statements were quite rational")
- Healthy or balanced intellectually; exhibiting reasonableness. (of a person or personal characteristics)
Rational? Maybe. It might enhance the odds of survival for the human race, by allowing for mental exploration of possible scenarios. But I am not an evolutionary psychologist.
Depends on your definition of "human necessity"? Is it something that humans do, no matter how you try to stop it? Yes. Is it something that is necessary for humans to survive? No.
Yes. It would, among other things, help me pick what music to listen to next.
Joe P
Memory Alpha incarnate | mod; Shatner number = 2
whatsnext,
That's dedication to the cause, though I can't help but wonder if a contribution to a charity or a little vacation might have been a better use of the money.
Joe
You blew a lottery win on wire when you were all but certain what the outcome would be?
That's dedication to the cause, though I can't help but wonder if a contribution to a charity or a little vacation might have been a better use of the money.
Joe
maxflinn
pfm Member
Darren, if I said 99% then we'd be told it's the other 1% that counts
.'Almost certainly' is a green light.
Julf
Facts are our friends
OK, so under such a regime, which one of these statements would not be allowed?
"pink cables sound better than green ones"
or
"we have not seen any evidence that the colour of a cable affects sound in any way, and according to current scientific knowledge, there is no objective reason for colour making any difference"
How do we *know* that?
Of course. But my point is also that you won't ever make any progress if you go chasing every wild goose you see, over and over again. At some point there needs to be a good reason to waste time and energy if your current way of doing things is working OK.
Unless the first monkey has a history crying wolf all the time.
Because there was a banana at the top in the first place. The scientist put it there to attract the very first monkeys up the ladder. So in this instance we do know there was a banana
That's probably in itself not relevant as with these debates we are the monkeys. We don't know if there is a banana there or not as if any one goes to try and discuss it the punch up that ensues when the banana is mentioned overrides everything.
So agreed it does become a waste of time in that sense
maxflinn
pfm Member
Er, okayLOL, for the good of humanity I hope you don't breed Max
I suppose I could always visit jkeny, listen to some USB cables, hear differences, start denying science and become exempt from such comments
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Joe Hutch
Mate of the bloke
Is 'I can't hear any differences between cables' an objectivist stance? (ie if you have actually listened, and are not simply assuming that cables 'can't' sound any different).
I'm not sure what the answer is, really, unless you have a rule that no statement of opinion about anything audio-related can be challenged on any grounds.
Julf
Facts are our friends
Exactly. Now, if you are a monkey, what would be the best way to find out, without every single monkey having to climb the ladder, or the monkeys having to blindly trust one or a few of the monkeys?
I guess the easiest way is to go buy the latest issue of "The Superior Banana"...
maxflinn
pfm Member
LOL! Thanks I just sniggnered completely out of context in the office.
You can't, hence the complete pointlessness of these circular point scoring arguments.
We cannot bash people down for having an opinion one way or another we can only really state that our experiences are different and these are the reasons why. we believe what what we believe
This is going to be the black hole of arguments until we find the bananas.
Then of course we'll debate if the banana skin, or the ladder, or the scientist is the important part. We'll probably never ask why we are stuck in box with other monkeys, having a massive punch up over an imaginary or otherwise piece of yellow fruit ( or is banana technically) a vegetable?