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What's all the aggression about in the audio room?

I always think you have to take some part in being conned. It's usually your own greed or ego or distorted self concept etc. Whenever I've been 'conned' I always played my part.
 
MVV said:
I always think you have to take some part in being conned. It's usually your own greed or ego or distorted self concept etc. Whenever I've been had I always played my part.
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i know the feeling, when i worked in a hi fi dealership we were indoctrinated to believe we new everything about audio.
when out in the real world as a young audio enthusiast i soon realised i had a lot to learn....and i am still interested in learning now.....my mistakes were all driven by the ego and original indoctrination process..
 
Sue Pertwee-Tyr said:
Just as an aside:

Let's say you bought an LP12 and you come to believe you were conned. What do you do?

Do you sell it, and buy something else? If so, you just effectively conned the person you sold it to. Are you comfortable with that?

Or, do you put it in that cupboard marked 'lesson learned' and write it off to experience?

I doubt anybody would say they'd do the latter. So let's not get too hung up on the view from that moral high horse, eh, chaps?
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I know someone who has been involved in this hobby for a long time who had a very expensive but well renowned cartridge re-tipped and was not happy with the sound so he, euphemistically, "passed it on" :D
 
Hubris- that's a good one, gets me every time. Currently recovering from a knee Op, why? because as a 50 odd year old runner I get into a race with a fit young couple on a training run! Daft old bugger, never learns.
 
Guys, the LP12 has sold for decades, it still will and has monumental follow across the globe. If its not for you then fine. I like it, 10,000's of people like. Its a icon, a design classic and defines an era. Its an excellent deck - simple.
 
spacey said:
Guys, the LP12 has sold for decades, it still will and has monumental follow across the globe. If its not for you then fine. I like it, 10,000's of people like. Its a icon, a design classic and defines an era. Its an excellent deck - simple.
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the 'point' being, people not liking it have an equally valid point in criticising it and linn if they so feel.
 
spacey said:
Guys, the LP12 has sold for decades, it still will and has monumental follow across the globe. If its not for you then fine. I like it, 10,000's of people like. Its a icon, a design classic and defines an era. Its an excellent deck - simple.
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BlueEyes said:
The turntable in question, is not the issue, and I am not interested in a ding dong about this turntable.

I came on the forums to learn and decide what to buy.
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Raj, I was talking about the concept of why people buy things.
 
darrylfunk said:
the 'point' being, people not liking it have an equally valid point in criticising it and linn if they so feel.
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Quite so.

The problem seems to come when the opposing viewpoints start to get personal.

I's fine to say "I like the LP12*, it suits my needs perfectly well" and also fine to say "I don't like the LP12, it isn't for me" (preferably with some sort of explanation so that people know why you hold that particular view). There is, after all, no law that says you have to like the LP12*.

What we see, more often, is "I love the LP12, and anybody who doesn't is deaf" or "I loathe the LP12, and anybody who owns one is an idiot".

Some people just don't seem to see why the former options are preferable to the latter ones.


*insert hifi product of choice here
 
Sue Pertwee-Tyr said:
Quite so.

The problem seems to come when the opposing viewpoints start to get personal.

I's fine to say "I like the LP12*, it suits my needs perfectly well" and also fine to say "I don't like the LP12, it isn't for me" (preferably with some sort of explanation so that people know why you hold that particular view). There is, after all, no law that says you have to like the LP12*.

What we see, more often, is "I love the LP12, and anybody who doesn't is deaf" or "I loathe the LP12, and anybody who owns one is an idiot".

Some people just don't seem to see why the former options are preferable to the latter ones.


*insert hifi product of choice here
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'Xactly.
It's a subjective hobby, people should realise that and grow up.
 
darrylfunk said:
the 'point' being, people not liking it have an equally valid point in criticising it and linn if they so feel.
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The one thing I would say is that there may be degrees of 'validity'. It is one of the weaknesses of 'politically correct' thinking to believe that everybody's opinion is as valid as everybody else's. Validity is also context-sensitive.

If, for example, you say on here that you don't like the LP12 because you don't enjoy music played through it, that is probably a more valid opinion than not liking the LP12 because you dislike the company ethos, or the managing director's politics.

However, if you expressed the same views on, let's say, a socialist activist forum, the validity of the two opinions might be reversed.
 
Hobby?
hobby!??
I came here for a fully paid up religious fundamentalist war... And to post ponies.
 
Sue Pertwee-Tyr said:
Quite so.

The problem seems to come when the opposing viewpoints start to get personal.

I's fine to say "I like the LP12*, it suits my needs perfectly well" and also fine to say "I don't like the LP12, it isn't for me" (preferably with some sort of explanation so that people know why you hold that particular view). There is, after all, no law that says you have to like the LP12*.

What we see, more often, is "I love the LP12, and anybody who doesn't is deaf" or "I loathe the LP12, and anybody who owns one is an idiot".

Some people just don't seem to see why the former options are preferable to the latter ones.


*insert hifi product of choice here
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Sue, what about those people who are seduced into buying something because they are lead to believe that it is what they want?

They then realise, after considerable financial outlay, it wasn't what they wanted, at all, but say it was just part of their audio journey :D

Forget the item, which I do not intend to mention again(!), but how many times do you see someone say I bought something, it was very expensive, and I got shut of it.

The honesty of Arkless is rare in my reading of threads which causes confusion to a newbie like me.

The funniest things of all are those on classified extolling the virtues of something they are now selling 6 months later!

A poster on here and someone who has worked in the hifi industry actually said to me had I learnt anything on here which was not shrouded in confusion.

I will await the avalanche of posts, but I have considered a certain make of speaker for some time ( I hope spacey isn't reading this! ) and I really want them but I won't buy them until I am absolutely certain and I have heard them in a domestic setting and as they are rather big and cooky has no doubt persuaded everyone to pretend they're not in when I come round this is proving problematical.

More than one person has said buy s/h and move them on if you don't like them. Is it so terrible to want to buy once and buy well?

Oh the fun of the fair :p
 
Is it just me or does every angry thread end up with people hating Linn.

It's like one big cyclic argument on he forum as a whole and it's the main protagonists who have taken over pfm and it's a shame.

The days of NJ cards, Ergo IX development and hacker caps seems a world away....
 
flatpopely said:
Is it just me or does every angry thread end up with people hating Linn.

It's like one big cyclic argument on he forum as a whole and it's the main protagonists who have taken over pfm and it's a shame.

The days of NJ cards, Ergo IX development and hacker caps seems a world away....
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Substitute, "Don't mention the war" for the subject you refer to.

I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it.
 
IMO, this forum has too much anger, name calling, bashing and belittling.

The end result is a lack of broad participation, with almost every thread becoming dominated by the same small group of contributors.

What ever happened to the concept of challenging the post, and not the poster? Too girly? :rolleyes:

Hook
 
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