Winter election II
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claire.foxx
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The Facebook story visibility seems to be restricted to 16-21 y/o accounts,
Ppl went back this morning to look at the stream and... boom... it’s gone, either been yanked by the BBC or it’s timed out as part of the ephemeral nature of Facebook stories — Someone sniffed a rat and has contacted Ofcom... another danger of politics on closed systems like Facebook with no transparency.
Ppl went back this morning to look at the stream and... boom... it’s gone, either been yanked by the BBC or it’s timed out as part of the ephemeral nature of Facebook stories — Someone sniffed a rat and has contacted Ofcom... another danger of politics on closed systems like Facebook with no transparency.
Caledon1297
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I seem to recall that some Tories threatened to abolish the Supreme Court...?
Anyway, here's the Tory manifesto (if you can stomach it):-
https://assets-global.website-files.com/5da42e2cae7ebd3f8bde353c/5dda924905da587992a064ba_Conservative 2019 Manifesto.pdf
The stark change in design is more likely due to the six day gap between the postings? If these were screen-grabbed at the same time, then there's nearly a week between the first three and the last one, and they've been presented in "newest first" order. They're not a set. If they weren't screen-grabbed at the same time, then the whole argument falls apart, becasue there's zero evidence that they form any kind of sequence at all. If they got yanked, it's most likely because there was a complaint which brought them to the attention of someone who knew the rules. Malice is rare, but stupidity is everywhere and it looks a lot like it.
But hang on a moment...accusing me of being a propogandist simply for questioning the veracity of something I've read on an internet forum is a little extreme, isn't it? I'm sceptical of bullshit claims, even when they appeal to things I may be inclined to agree with. Actually, especially when it comes to claims that chime with what I already might suspect is true: that's the most dangerous kind of propoganda.
Anyway, this is not my fight: I'm not British and don't live in the UK - I'm interested in the topic purely because I have friends who will be voting, and frankly I'm concerned for their sakes at the direction the UK is taking politically.
If I were eligible to, I would be voting for Labour, same as I would have for every previous election since I became aware of UK politics. For me, while Corbyn has flaws politically, and even though I disagree with the scale of some of the manifesto items, I believe he is fundamentally a decent man, albeit one who is too slow to accept his mistakes. The fact that he's so far behind someone who isn't fit to be left in charge of a dog, let alone a country, shows just how polarised British politics has become..
Tony L
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I seem to recall that some Tories threatened to abolish the Supreme Court...?
Anyway, here's the Tory manifesto (if you can stomach it):-
https://assets-global.website-files.com/5da42e2cae7ebd3f8bde353c/5dda924905da587992a064ba_Conservative 2019 Manifesto.pdf
Its hugely worrying. One of the key reasons I am so pro-EU is I simply do not trust the UK when it comes to human rights and civil liberties. It is abundantly clear that the Conservative Party wish to remove us from all such EU legislation and we should never lose track of the reality that we are “subjects” in a monarchy with a hopelessly archaic, highly biased and unrepresentative electoral system. In reality we are far closer to brutal dictatorships such as Saudi or Iran than a proper proportional democracy with a constitution and bill of rights. The Conservative Party is unquestionably an anti-democratic force. They have stood firmly against human rights and civil liberties right since the days of slavery and empire.
mentalp
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Caledon1297
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Indeed - one of the main reasons for Brexit is to 'free' the UK from 'pesky' EU rules, regulations and protections, hence all the anti-EU invective from the Tories and right-wing media over the years, including the 'Human Rights BAD' narrative!
- Page 50 is VERY scary looking; be afraid, be VERY afraid. 
notaclue
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They are very fond of media dirty tricks.
See Johnson's gesture at 1:45 in the video https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/boris-johnson-cut-off-gesture-to-nick-ferrari-1-6400780?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social_Icon&utm_campaign=in_article_social_icons and Nick 'Tory' Fearrari's immediate moving on to another topic.
I guess in Andrew Neil's favour, it must show he's not so compliant if Johnson is determined to steer clear.
matthewr
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You still haven't answered my question -- how will nationalisation cause a drop in the value of Sterling?
And more generally if your concern is the £ then you should be voting for a party like Labour that will likely lead to remain since Brexit is an order of magnitude larger effect on the £'s value.
PS the person being triggered here is you. My point was that much of the economic commentary on Labour is designed to scare people and is very light on convincing argument beyond "LABOUR BAD!".
Seanm
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It will have been a mutual arrangement - Johnson and Neil, I mean. Neil is the courtier licensed to criticise the king, but Johnson and the outfit he's fronting are so malignant, so empty, so dishonest that to perform the routine here would have been actually dangerous for the Conservatives, while not to do it would have been dangerous for Neil's reputation.
The chairman of the group that owns The Spectator greets the ex-editor of The Spectator, perhaps taking a moment to ask after Dominic Cummings, husband of the commissioning editor of The Spectator, at The Spectator Garden Party.
Tories are the political media and the political media are the Tories.
ks.234
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Worth noting that it is page number 48 on the manifesto itself, only p50 on the pdf. But yes, very worrying.Indeed - one of the main reasons for Brexit is to 'free' the UK from 'pesky' EU rules, regulations and protections, hence all the anti-EU invective from the Tories and right-wing media over the years, including the 'Human Rights BAD' narrative!
A vote for Johnson is a vote for some sort of undefined constitutional change. Hail the new speaker...
notaclue
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Good on the Rigby https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1200396811418177538
No apology and no shame from the vile Johnson. Blames media twisting and distorting.
No apology and no shame from the vile Johnson. Blames media twisting and distorting.
Tony L
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In fairness to Andrew Neil he has demolished Johnson several times in the past. I realise he leans to the right politically, but I suspect he is no more a fan of Johnson than he is of Corbyn. I’d very much like to see him have the opportunity.
Weekender
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Can't decide between Alien or Predator.
And Eddie Mair also has form in eviscerating Johnson in interviews. Which is why I doubt Boris will go anywhere near either interviewer during the remainder of the election campaign, and beyond.
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No, just social media. The manipulative are easily manipulated. That corp America concurrently makes trillions from social media Is the icing on this particular cake of free speech.
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