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Very funny. Care to compare the economies and degrees of socialism in, say, Denmark, Holland, Sweden and the UK and get back to us?
Some of our wealthy cities and counties have larger populations than those places.

As someone said above, apples and oranges.
 
This breathless stream of consciousness of trigger words vaguely related to the question doesn't answer the question in any meaningful way. You basically said "BECAUSE LABOUR BAD".

Trigger words. Oh, dear.

These are the things set out in the Labour manifesto, and the effects that they are likely to have, according to people who know more about these things than I do, on the economy. Amongst the latter is a run on the pound.

If you think differently, why not either present an argument to that end, or cake'ole. Accusing me of using 'trigger words' merely makes you sound like one of those snowflake students we keep hearing about.

Very funny. Care to compare the economies and degrees of socialism in, say, Denmark, Holland, Sweden and the UK and get back to us?

I don't think that any of those economies are either 'capital S' socialist (or Marxist) or easily comparable with our own. They are largely liberal free market based economies, with private ownership of companies.
 
Oh yes it does...how would you vote sensibly in these circumstances Brian?

PARTY VOTES % NET PERCENTAGE CHANGE IN SEATS+/- %

CON
Kirstene Hair Votes18,148_vote_share45.2Net percentage change in seats+16.2

SNP
Mike Weir Votes15,503_vote_share38.6Net percentage change in seats-15.7

LAB
William Campbell Votes5,233_vote_share13.0Net percentage change in seats+4.2

LD
Clive Sneddon Votes1,308_vote_share3.3Net percentage change in seats+0.5

Change compared with 2015
Kendo, I know Kirsteeeen can count on your support on Dec 12
 
What I have said to you earlier is if SNP voters dropped their narrow minded nationalism and voted Labour, the entire UK would probably benefit by there being a Labour govt in Westminster. You may even then get your wish of another referendum, it’s more likely from Labour than the tories. Instead, we are more likely to end up with a tory govt, a hard brexit, a poorer UK and an even poorer Scotland.

But fill your boots. I’m not bothered what you lot do anymore.
Watch what’s about to happen to Labour in Scotland on Dec 12. You’d be better taking out billboard adverts up here than talking to a couple of folk on a HiFi forum. They’re going to disappear.
 
But did I hear right when the interviewer said "tomorrow we'll hear from the leader of Plaid Cymru" - pronounced Plied Kimroo!
Genuw-ine aw-thentic BBC pronunciation. They take tremendous pains to get things like that right. Like accurate and unbiased reporting. We lead the world and we're going to be great again.
 
Johnson ducks out of the climate change debate with other party leaders, sends Gove who gets refused admission by C4 then the Tories threaten to shut them down.

Watch Gove’s stranglin hands-

 
This piece by Michael Rosen really debunks this fabricated anti-Semitism 'scandal' in Labour perfectly.

the minimum requirements for a claim that there is a 'problem' in a given area (e.g. antisemitism in the Labour Party) is that it is distinctly and measurably worse than in other places or in society as a whole. If that hasn't been shown , (and it hasn't been) it's not a Labour Party problem it's a societal problem.

Michael Rosen blog.

By this logic it wouldn't be a 'problem' to have people drinking vodka in the middle of an AA meeting if they were just drinking the average daily amount.

The problem is it is hard to get very far circulating fake letters one day and then sending out real ones the next.

The campaign will go much better by regularly circulating the evidence that AS has been shown not to be a Labour party problem, rather than just claiming it. Too much effort?
 
This piece by Michael Rosen really debunks this fabricated anti-Semitism 'scandal' in Labour perfectly.

the minimum requirements for a claim that there is a 'problem' in a given area (e.g. antisemitism in the Labour Party) is that it is distinctly and measurably worse than in other places or in society as a whole. If that hasn't been shown , (and it hasn't been) it's not a Labour Party problem it's a societal problem.

Michael Rosen blog.
Yes. There really isn't a reasonable answer to that logic.

If AS is a particular problem in the Labour, what is the evidence?
 
By this logic it wouldn't be a 'problem' to have people drinking vodka in the middle of an AA meeting if they were just drinking the average daily amount.

The problem is it is hard to get very far circulating fake letters one day and then sending out real ones the next.

The campaign will go much better by regularly circulating the evidence that AS has been shown not to be a Labour party problem, rather than just claiming it. Too much effort?
Your logic is flawed. If people were drinking an average daily amount, they wouldn't be an alcoholic.
 
Very funny. Care to compare the economies and degrees of socialism in, say, Denmark, Holland, Sweden and the UK and get back to us?

‘morning, Steve ... think your question has already been answered : I live in one of the countries you mention and have close friends or family in the others & can assure you that none closely resemble the U.K. in this context.

Referring to cf’s response, I am not as politically savvy as many here, but I know the currency markets better than most : to put it in the simplest possible way, if a nation is considered an unstable, bad long-term investment, ie. the value of its economy will likely fall relative to others, the currency tanks.

Which, drifting off-topic, is also the main problem of the Eurozone : because they all have the same currency, the above mechanism cannot work, so Germany gets stronger & stronger and none of the other eurozone countries can adjust.
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50596192

gove refused a seat at the high table as a shoe-in for the blond oaf. diddums.

but not to be rebuffed, the tories have hit back, threatening the broadcaster with ...threats. shades of hitler's germany, 1933

"if we are re-elected we will have to review Channel 4's Public Services Broadcasting obligations"

what an ugly bunch they are! their hijacking of the far-right approach to policy and electioneering goes beyond what we have seen so far and promises state-sponsored censorship.
 
By this logic it wouldn't be a 'problem' to have people drinking vodka in the middle of an AA meeting if they were just drinking the average daily amount.
Sorry but that analogy doesn't work. The very straightforward fact of the matter, as I've been rightly saying on here for years, is that unless it can be proven that there is more AS in the Labour Party than in society in general, or other political parties, it can't be said that it's a particular problem for Labour.

But of course nobody is looking for AS in other parties, nor would anyone care were it found because the other main parties have leaders avowed to supporting the state of Israel.

Labour does not, and this is why we've had this fabricated anti-Semitism 'scandal'. Corbyn, as the victim of this coordinated attack couldn't really do much bar vow to tackle any AS found in his party. Were he to have done what I said he should have done, and keep asking why it's only Labour everyone is asking about in terms of AS he'd have been attacked for that by the media, the Israeli shills in his own party, the various Jewish leaders and by the thousands who dedicate their time to supporting the state of Israel online.

This whole affair is an assault on British democracy, and it's scary how many fail to see it, instead perpetuating it. But that's the power of propaganda when amplified via every section of media in today's world, and relating to such a sensitive issue.
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50596192

gove refused a seat at the high table as a shoe-in for the blond oaf. diddums.

but not to be rebuffed, the tories have hit back, threatening the broadcaster with ...threats. shades of hitler's germany, 1933

"if we are re-elected we will have to review Channel 4's Public Services Broadcasting obligations"

what an ugly bunch they are! their hijacking of the far-right approach to policy and electioneering goes beyond what we have seen so far and promises state-sponsored censorship.

Yes. Except of course it worked for Blair. We have the supine BBC we have now because of Hutton
 
‘morning, Steve ... think your question has already been answered : I live in one of the countries you mention and have close friends or family in the others & can assure you that none closely resemble the U.K. in this context.

Referring to cf’s response, I am not as politically savvy as many here, but I know the currency markets better than most : to put it in the simplest possible way, if a nation is considered an unstable, bad long-term investment, ie. the value of its economy will likely fall relative to others, the currency tanks.

Which, drifting off-topic, is also the main problem of the Eurozone : because they all have the same currency, the above mechanism cannot work, so Germany gets stronger & stronger and none of the other eurozone countries can adjust.
Sorry, but how does this answer the question? As regards currencies tanking in risky countries, we can all think of one close to home.
 
Poverty exists, not because we cannot feed the poor, but because we cannot satisfy the rich.

From the Twittersphere.
 
Your logic is flawed. If people were drinking an average daily amount, they wouldn't be an alcoholic.

And by that logic you're only anti-Semitic if you're more anti-Semitic than average.

If people were drinking an average daily amount, they shouldn't remain in AA.

Beyond that, people in AA make a commitment not to drink. At all in front of each other in meetings, presumably.

People in political parties aren't held to the standard that they have to be just like everyone else. We model the society we want to make in the way that we behave. We do better.
That's how Gandhi and Luther King effected change (supposedly) - the say that the means is apparent in the kingdom of ends. etc etc.

Anti-semitism is a problem in the Labour party because it exists. Not because it doesn't exist any more than it does in the Brexit party or Tories. It is the party of respect fairness equality and justice, supposedly.
 
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