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Who's Heard the Dutch & Dutch Speakers

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dishio said:
I realized I am digging quite far into the thread but as anyone tried this combo: 8C + minidsp SHD? studio version or not.
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Since posting this, I ordered a full size SHD to try it out. Now I sell both SHD models. They are effectively transparent, which is to say that I cannot tell the difference between filtering and AD conversion applied inside the SHD or inside the speakers. Using one in front of the 8c speakers adds a volume knob, multiple analogue and digital inputs, multiple EQ presets, Dirac Live room correction, a music streamer, a remote handset and support for a couple of really tightly integrated subwoofers.
 
Strictly Stereo said:
Since posting this, I ordered a full size SHD to try it out. Now I sell both SHD models. They are effectively transparent, which is to say that I cannot tell the difference between filtering and AD conversion applied inside the SHD or inside the speakers. Using one in front of the 8c speakers adds a volume knob, multiple analogue and digital inputs, multiple EQ presets, Dirac Live room correction, a music streamer, a remote handset and support for a couple of really tightly integrated subwoofers.
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Could comment on the music streamer, Volumio? On screenshots the interface does not look that great.
You said that I sell them. Do you mean that you have replaced these devices but a better alternative?
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dishio said:
Could comment on the music streamer, Volumio? On screenshots the interface does not look that great.
You said that I sell them. Do you mean that you have replaced these devices but a better alternative?
Thanks
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I mean that I am now an authorised retailer for MiniDSP products and that I stock the two SHD models. I am also a Dutch & Dutch retailer.

Volumio works well, it supports a broad range of services and integrations, and it is built right into the SHD models. The user interface is pretty good. I could happily live with it, but as a retailer I have lots of other options available to me. More often than not, I use an external music streamer or server connected via USB, AES or coaxial cable to the SHD, rather than the built-in Volumio streamer.
 
Just had a call from Martijn (D&D). He will deliver my 8c's Friday 10th May and set them up.

Really looking forward to receiving them as the loaner pair I had for three weeks kind of spoiled my current speakers. Not that they are bad speakers but I have a really lively room so the ability to "tune" the 8c's really helped.

Paul - Rotterdam
 
zekezebra said:
Just had a call from Martijn (D&D). He will deliver my 8c's Friday 10th May and set them up.

Really looking forward to receiving them as the loaner pair I had for three weeks kind of spoiled my current speakers. Not that they are bad speakers but I have a really lively room so the ability to "tune" the 8c's really helped.
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Bet you can’t wait...
 
Could it be that the distortion comes from the parametric EQ'ing of the 8 inch woofers to get the very low end response, this is why speakers like these need a lot of power too.
I have mixed feeling about EQ'ing the bass end, my own speakers do this too and despite their compact(ish) dimensions don't sound a natural at the bass end as big JBl's or big ATC's that are er..."naturally aspirated".
 
Space is the Place said:
Could it be that the distortion comes from the parametric EQ'ing of the 8 inch woofers to get the very low end response, this is why speakers like these need a lot of power too.
I have mixed feeling about EQ'ing the bass end, my own speakers do this too and despite their compact(ish) dimensions don't sound a natural at the bass end as big JBl's or big ATC's that are er..."naturally aspirated".
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They are actually quite conservative when it comes to boosting low end output. In their free space mode, the lows are rolled off, as you can see from the charts.
 
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They are actually quite conservative when it comes to boosting low end output. In their free space mode, the lows are rolled off, as you can see from the charts.
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I've heard the 8C's briefly at the show in Cheshire , they remind me (as do the Kii's) of my own speakers. Lyngdorf used a similar idea with their wall and corner subs, not sure they still make either now, they were good sounding system when they were set-up correctly.
 
Ayya Khema said:
90db is hardly high level. at 90db, its already over 1% distortion at 50hz! probably even higher at 30hz!
this means this speakers must have about 10% thd at 100 db spl!!!!
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What should I have heard (that was wrong), when auditioning these speakers in my home, regarding these figures?
 
Ayya Khema said:
90db is hardly high level. at 90db, its already over 1% distortion at 50hz! probably even higher at 30hz!
this means this speakers must have about 10% thd at 100 db spl!!!!
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I'm not too worried about ditortion measurements in the sub-bass (I think that the NRC chamber is only anechoic down to 50Hz anyway), but agree that the speaker is producing too much distortion in the upper-bass region. That's why I raised the issue a few pages back:

I wonder what is causing the ~5% distortion between 100 and 150Hz at 90dB?
 
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Andrew C! said:
What should I have heard (that was wrong), when auditioning these speakers in my home, regarding these figures?
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It's hard to say. For one you'd need to have accurate speakers as reference, use music/recordings that would reveal problems and know what to expect sound-wise. Besides, some types of distortion sound nice to some people so you may even enjoy the results.

That's what makes evaluating performance through listening, as opposed to "tasting", so complicated.
 
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