droodzilla
pfm Member
What the heck can the Libs do when there are 19 or so on the Labour benches who will vote for the deal?!
PS Face it, Corbyn is never going to be the leader of anything. His very presence has lost any VoNC prospect. Also bare in mind that the SNP are now playing an entirely different game, their priority is now a GE as they suspect they can purge all Westminster parties from Scotland (with the exception of the Lib Dems who will likely hold the upper islands). They know they can wipe out Labour and Conservative if there is an election soon, and that is their clear goal.
Those 19 MPs (except maybe one or two of them) already voted against May's deal multiple times.
Johnson's deal is considerably worse than May's:
https://twitter.com/ChrisGiles_/status/1182595006382645249
And Johnson has made noises about rowing back on environmental protections and workers rights.
It's hard to see how Stephen Kinnock's wrecking crew could support it (unless they cynically use it as an opportunity to damage Labour and get rid of Corbyn).
The basic logic here is: the harder the Brexit, the more damaging it is for Labour to support it; conversely, the softer the Brexit, the more damaging it is for the Conservatives (because they will be outflanked in a GE by Brexit Inc.).
As for the VoNC, Swinson is playing political games to win more seats from the Conservatives in the GE; nowt wrong with that, but let's not pretend it's a principled position. Polly Toynbee gets it right in a recent piece: https://www.theguardian.com/comment...hnson-election-unpleasant-surprise-opposition.
Labour people may jibe at Jo Swinson’s behaviour. Why is she so rudely adamant that she would never back a Corbyn-led government, not even as interim? For the good reason that grown-up Labour supporters need to understand: the seats she can win are virtually all Tory ones and the soft Tory remainers she needs to woo would be frightened off if voting Lib Dem looked like a proxy Corbyn vote. She needs to be as brutally aggressive towards Labour as possible – and Labour people just have to suck it up: the only hope of Labour being the bigger party is for Swinson to win every Tory seat she can.