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Turner Prize 2019

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Tony L, Dec 3, 2019.

  1. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Wow, the Turner Prize is a bit special this year! The four nominees have at the ceremony aligned into a collective refusing to accept the idea of a winner or loser in these divided times and made a very strong joint anti-Brexit/anti-Tory/anti-fascist statement as their acceptance speech. They’ve just done a seriously cool thing IMHO. Its on right now on BBC4 so will be on iPlayer. Make sure to catch their speech in full as it really was powerful and heartfelt.
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  2. MVV

    MVV pfm Member

    Thanks for posting on this Tony. A great little speech, sadly just a pebble tossed in a stream but they represent the best of us nonetheless. If only the politicians could do just a tiny bit of that.
  3. Mullardman

    Mullardman Moderately extreme...

    I didn't see that. but I did see the BBC News at 10 which natch gave a very different view and had their Will Gompertz (Sp?) asking if 'giving the prize to all nominees equally' spelt the end of the Turner Prize.

    No reference whatever to a joint speech.

    Another BBC 'mistake'.. no doubt...
  4. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Its on the BBC site here including some quotes:

    “After the announcement, Cammock read a joint statement saying their work was "incompatible with the competition format, whose tendency is to divide and to individualise".

    They said they wanted to speak out in "an era marked by the rise of the right and the renewal of fascism in an era of the Conservatives' hostile environment that has paradoxically made each of us and many of our friends and family again increasingly unwelcome in Britain".

    They added: "Isolation and exclusion are the weapons of this hostile environment. It is this we seek to stand against by making this symbolic gesture of cohesion."”

    PS It was live at 11:00, so the BBC do have an excuse for not broadcasting it on the news at 10:00!
  5. Mullardman

    Mullardman Moderately extreme...

    Except that it was stated in the 10:00 News that the prize had been awarded to all four and the shots appeared to show an 'after event' party.
    It was also stated much earlier in the day that the result would be broadcast live at 9:30 pm.
  6. MVV

    MVV pfm Member

    I do hope it is shown if only in summary.

    Just shows how in adversity art always holds the line. Which is why I'm often puzzled by our little coterie of UKipper types. What on earth do they listen to? What to they read and what art do they look at? This is after all a site dedicated to the appreciation of art in the form of music.

    Think- Pussy Riot, Bikini Kill, Cave, Pogues, Slits, Pistols, Clash, Marley, Young, Fairport, Springsteen, Beatles, Stones, Cohen, Dylan, Hank, Johnson, Bessie Smith and everything else in my 1500 records. The 'lefty', 'liberal elite' right there.
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  7. Tim Jones

    Tim Jones pfm Member

    Is the art any good?
  8. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    I’ve not seen it, and much is based on long-form video work this year so doesn’t translate to a two minute TV overview too well, but it looked quite interesting and in parts quite political (e.g. one piece being a hour and a half video collage of the NI troubles etc).
  9. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Just watching Sky News and the whole political motivation for the collective acceptance of the Turner Prize has been censored. They covered the result, but twisted it into something entirely lame removing all reference to Brexit, the Tory ‘hostile environment’, the rise of fascism etc. Absolutely disgraceful reporting.
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  10. JensenHealey

    JensenHealey pfm Member

    Hmmm. Stunt, idiotic and devalues the Turner prize in my view. Mind you, anyway, how many Turner prize winners manage to remain in the public eye? - Not many.

    I have good friend who is an artist. His view of the whole Turner prize thing is not reproducible on here. He does not seem to be able to say quite why.
  11. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Have a look at the list on Wikipedia here, it is pretty much a who’s who of British art over the past 35 years! A remarkable list IMO. Are you sure your friend isn’t just a bit jealous not to have been selected?!
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  12. JensenHealey

    JensenHealey pfm Member

    Up until about 1995 they are generally well known. Not more recently, with the exception of the great Grayson Perry. But is all the result of a change of tack by the judging committee, I wonder.

    As to my friend ,the thought had occurred to me! But actually his work is not in the same sort of 'radical' spheres that the Turner prize seems to live on.
  13. Rockmeister

    Rockmeister pfm Member

    A well timed statement I thought. Most Art is political to some degree, and this coming together is pertinent and brave. The works themselves I’ve not seen live.
  14. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    I’d certainly add Jeremy Deller and Mark Wallinger to the list, though there is always a good gap between breakthrough in the art world and the public catching on. No one would know who Anthony Gormley was until Another Place, Angel Of The North etc, and that was well after the Turner Prize.
  15. Woodface

    Woodface pfm Member

    He/she didn't win then;)
  16. eternumviti

    eternumviti Bloviating Brexiter


    Artists come out as being politically to the left!!!

    Well, no shit Sherlock!

    What an unbelievably stupid and inane statement.

    Some of my best friends are anarchists :)

  17. jackbarron

    jackbarron Chelsea, London

    Just watched the BBC News online. They mentioned the Turner Prize contestants made a pact so there was no winner or loser. None of the acceptance speech was shown and its anti-Brexit/Tory/fascist content wasn't mentioned.

    When I was young, this would have blown up into a quite big story. Now it is shrugged at by the press and media, including the BBC and right-wing online trolls.

    There are a lot of far-right racists in England, especially the government.

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  18. jackbarron

    jackbarron Chelsea, London

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  19. Gaycha

    Gaycha pfm Member

    They were all interviewed on R4 Today prog.
    Not seen or heard their submission, but do like the idea purported as a parallel from Alice in Wonderland and the Dodo caucus race - one where all participants start and run whenever they like, so everyone’s a winner. Alice wins a prize from her own pocket - a thimble.

    A quick wiki shows Carroll was being satirical, mocking lack of clarity and decisiveness in political caucus system. All very fitting.

    So it’s cool with me.

    Love it or otherwise TP gets folk expressing a view, promotes and therefore interest in art. IMO it’s valid for that alone.
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  20. cutting42

    cutting42 Arrived at B4 Hacker Erg \o/

    Sorry you are grasping at anti BBC straws here, the content was on the front page of BBC news and the detail of the speech was fairly detailed in the text and there was a video in the piece of the acceptance speech.

    I am no fan of TV news of any sort, not for any potential bias reasons, but folks seem very keen to get "offended" by the BBC at every opportunity.
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