jackbarron
Chelsea, London
It wasn't mentioned on the BBC News, which goes out on television. I'd say that was a deliberate omission.
Jack
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It wasn't mentioned on the BBC News, which goes out on television. I'd say that was a deliberate omission.
Jack
cutting42
Arrived at B4 Hacker Ergo
I am sure it was but I suspect it was because the main story here is the collective acceptance which is unprecedented rather than some artists have a go at the government which is rather less unusual.
Fatmarley
"It appears my intelligence circuits have melted"
I guess you've never heard of John Sweeney then?
James Evans
Bedroom Bodger
cutting42
Arrived at B4 Hacker Ergo
blossomchris
I feel better than James Brown
eternumviti
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There are apparently a lot of far left racists too, some of whom may well be in government at the end of next week.
Then of course there are the racists who have taken the cure, and like others who have seen the light, feel the need to regularly signal their virtuousness (or conceal their guilt) by angrily calling everyone else racists. Or at least, those with whom they disagree on other matters.
bob
pfm Member
Poached eggs was very good.
James Evans
Bedroom Bodger
bob
pfm Member
A worthy winner.
eternumviti
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I liked 'Leaves and Remains'.
jackbarron
Chelsea, London
There are no doubt some antisemites involved with Labour, but nowhere near the amount painted by the media and the Rabbi who is a supporter of Johnson and the Tory Party. This is the Johnson who insults black people and women Muslims who wear burkas. In other words he is a racist.
To follow up an unanswered question: Are Gee Vaucher and Penny Rimbaud your friends?
Jack
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They were very well covered, acknowledged and celebrated on R4 Today this morning.
Deliberate inclusion?
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
No ‘apparently’ or ‘may be’, your PM is a clear and demonstrable racist, homophobe and liar
https://www.businessinsider.com/bor...omments-bumboys-piccaninnies-2019-6?r=US&IR=T
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That’s anecdote.
Bum boys doesn’t offend me. Neither does fags, queers, poofs, fairies, fruits etc.
It’s all about the context of use.
I feel quite qualified to comment
without anyone's ‘outraged by proxy’ view or stance or hijacking seemingly for their own ends.But, take away my rights and ......
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Mullardman
Moderately extreme...
Our some time resident Tory Mescalito was always a fan of much of that, yet he didn't let it affect his right wing views one bit.
An awful lot of fans of 'traditional' British Folk Music also see it as representing a 'great' former Britain. unsullied by immigrants or any of the other consequences of Empire. The same are happy to sing along to songs detailing the poverty and hardship which occurred in the home countires as a direct result of empire.. with no sense of irony whatever.
It's a mistake to assign strong ties between musical taste and political views. I mean.. I like Elgar... and I'm moderately extreme!
cutting42
Arrived at B4 Hacker Ergo
No, no, no, no and f**ing hell NO. You are so wrong it is not even funny. Pretty much the entire British folk scene is rabidly anti facist, anti tory, anti establishment and a hotbed of protest against pretty much everything right wing, Brexit and empire. It is an incredibly inclusive and welcoming community looking to maintain traditions across the world and cultures. You should try a folk club or festival for yourself and find out for real. Knowing your political tendencies from on here, you would find a very sympathetic reception.
There was a disgusting reference by Nick wossname, former leader of some version of the EDL, BNP or whatever they were called at the time about liking "Traditional" folk music and the entire folk scene rejected his comments totally and campaigned vigorously against these shameful claims.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/jan/26/nick-griffin-bnp-folk-music
http://www.brightyoungfolk.com/records/folk-against-fascism-volune-one-various-artis
Mullardman
Moderately extreme...
Whoahh!!
Gareth.. I said 'an awful lot' .. that's not 'all'. I was also writing in the context of what I said about the way many people can divorce their political allegiances from their musical taste.. a la Mescalito.
Also. I was referencing 'fans' more than artists. I've not been a regular at folk clubs for many years,mostly because in this neck of the woods they have declined.. but I've seen and rubbed shoulders with many of the greats, including Martin Carthy, the late Swarbrick and others. Shay Black ( Brother of Mary.) and many others in the 'Irish' scene too.
I have to admit that a lot of my opinion was formed in the 1980s when a lot of NF people latched onto the folk scene in my area.. thinking it somehow reinforced their grip on 'Britishness'
Thing is.. your first article, concerning Eliza Carthy, confirms that the UK far right have indeed attempted to infiltrate the UK folk scene and claim it.. in the same way that they have tried to claim the English flag as theirs. Eliza rejects them, I reject them, you reject them and I don't doubt that the bulk of folk fans and musicians do likewise.. but that doesn't negate the fact that the far right Parties have tried it on.. and that more than a few far right individuals have tried it on too.
I may have overstated my case.. within the context of what I was posting.. If I've caused any offence it certainly wasn't intended.. But there is no doubt that the far right tries and will continue to try.. to appropriate any part of 'British' culture that it can, in order to falsely legitimise its views.
Gareth.. I said 'an awful lot' .. that's not 'all'. I was also writing in the context of what I said about the way many people can divorce their political allegiances from their musical taste.. a la Mescalito.
Also. I was referencing 'fans' more than artists. I've not been a regular at folk clubs for many years,mostly because in this neck of the woods they have declined.. but I've seen and rubbed shoulders with many of the greats, including Martin Carthy, the late Swarbrick and others. Shay Black ( Brother of Mary.) and many others in the 'Irish' scene too.
I have to admit that a lot of my opinion was formed in the 1980s when a lot of NF people latched onto the folk scene in my area.. thinking it somehow reinforced their grip on 'Britishness'
Thing is.. your first article, concerning Eliza Carthy, confirms that the UK far right have indeed attempted to infiltrate the UK folk scene and claim it.. in the same way that they have tried to claim the English flag as theirs. Eliza rejects them, I reject them, you reject them and I don't doubt that the bulk of folk fans and musicians do likewise.. but that doesn't negate the fact that the far right Parties have tried it on.. and that more than a few far right individuals have tried it on too.
I may have overstated my case.. within the context of what I was posting.. If I've caused any offence it certainly wasn't intended.. But there is no doubt that the far right tries and will continue to try.. to appropriate any part of 'British' culture that it can, in order to falsely legitimise its views.
