Seeker_UK
Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans
If we again vote no well we're just left with the corrupt Tory scum to take the piss.
Probably only until the next GE.
If we again vote no well we're just left with the corrupt Tory scum to take the piss.
As a unionist Scot this is kind of how I see things. No matter what the outcome I lose out. If we get independence then wee Hitler will be in charge to continue to do absolutely nothing about drugs misuse, educations, poverty, mental health issues etc after 8 years of blaming Westminster for all of Scotland's woes. If we again vote no well we're just left with the corrupt Tory scum to take the piss.
Her first term would show what she's about and if we don't like it we can vote otherwise. We obviously don't have any chance against the number of votes in England v the amount in Scotland which is giving us tory mayhem, How could giving ourselves more choice be a bad thing?
I don’t understand the complaint. Does anybody?I count six Scottish Politics/SNP/ Independence threads on pfm- none of which were started by Scottish fishies or for that matter any living or voting in Scotland. Do you spot a pattern, can you have a word?
Her first term would show what she's about
In what way are the tories killing people in Scotland? I’m no tory supporter, I think they’re killing people in England. Doesn’t the SNP make the decisions in Scotland?Tories are killing us and stealing our resources, enough, we need to go, there are no problems to face in the future that are bigger that our problems within the UK.
The only way back for Labour in Scotland is to drop their fundamentalist opposition to independence. They used to run Scotland now they have a single MP left at Westminster compared with the SNP’s 48. That gives you an idea of the scale of the rout. A tide of voters left them for the SNP and now they’re reduced to doing power sharing deals with the Tories in local authorities. The main unionist vote in Scotland is Tory- they have six times as many Scottish seats as Labour in Westminster ( not that that’s saying much).I think the future of the SNP in an independant Scotland might not be that different to that of the Labour party in a devolved Scotland. Devolution led to Labour tanking from what they thought would be their exclusive territory. Once independant Labour and the Lib Dems would do much better.
As a unionist Scot this is kind of how I see things. No matter what the outcome I lose out. If we get independence then wee Hitler will be in charge to continue to do absolutely nothing about drugs misuse, educations, poverty, mental health issues etc after 8 years of blaming Westminster for all of Scotland's woes. If we again vote no well we're just left with the corrupt Tory scum to take the piss.
If we vote "No" this time around we are in for a "doing"...big time (and would probably deserve it too).
"If we get independence then wee Hitler will be in charge" How do you work that out? Sturgeon and the SNP will have no reason to exist after independence. It's mainly the unresolved issue of independence that keeps the SNP in power.
Fair enough, there may be a wee honeymoon period and wave of euphoria that will carry the SNP for a few months if they win a referendum. But after that, first Scottish General Election and all the opposition parties will be truly Scottish ones...Scottish Labour, Lib Dems, Scottish Conservatives. I see Scottish Labour having a major resurgence post-independence and the Tories as well. Opposition parties will become a home for all the "I never voted for this and it's shite" voters as well as those who want to see a more socially democratic government.
Sturgeon will likely eff off to a fancy job in the UN or somewhere else anyway.
As a reality check...see if you can find a direct quote where Sturgeon blames "Westminster" for our Education record, drug deaths and mental health waiting times. All I can find is her apologising.
Put aside your dislike of the SNP for a moment and ask yourself if you want to be ruled by Eton toffs for the rest of your puff. That's exactly what is on the cards if we stay in the UK. And they are only just getting started on the corruption and looting.
It strikes me that Scots are in a no win situation. Gain independence and you’ll have a country ripped down the middle (sound familiar?) with colossal problems to solve. Lose the ref and you’ll no doubt keep voting for a party (because of Westminster hatred) who will continue to prioritise independence over actually running the country and fixing drug deaths, alcoholism, education, budget deficit etc etc (not sure how these will be fixed by being independent but there you go). It’s a rhetorical issue (for 8% of the UK population) until independence finally happens at a once every decade referendum.
How can a party committed to the UK be anything other than against Scotland breaking up the UK?The only way back for Labour in Scotland is to drop their fundamentalist opposition to independence. They used to run Scotland now they have a single MP left at Westminster compared with the SNP’s 48. That gives you an idea of the scale of the rout. A tide of voters left them for the SNP and now they’re reduced to doing power sharing deals with the Tories in local authorities. The main unionist vote in Scotland is Tory- they have six times as many Scottish seats as Labour in Westminster ( not that that’s saying much).
Interesting question. On its own, no, I don't think it would be enough, but sweetened with UK wide PR, Leveson enacted, and a well written constitution with legislative teeth, who knows, maybe?
EU re-entry is a toxic waste deposit in English politics. Labour won’t go near it unless they win the next two GEs. The notion of keeping your powder dry in Scotland in the event that Westminster one day moves in that general direction is unrealistic. The draw of Europe and the repulsion from Tory U.K. Govt is now the motor that drives that remarkable voting pattern in Scotland and the fact that toothless Labour opposition for 12 years has achieved nothing.That sort of gets to the nub of the question - would EU membership alone persuade enough swing voters/lukewarm types in Scotland to vote no and scupper independence. Suspect we will never know.
How can a party committed to the UK be anything other than against Scotland breaking up the UK?
Talking about the rout. I will remind you again, in the 2019 GE, out of 4,053,140 registered voters 1,242,380 voted SNP, 2,810,760 people did not.
692,939 voted Tory
511,838 voted Labour
Do we not think the last 14yrs might not give a hint?
Regards
Richard
There have been a few comments on here that to me just highlight the classic SNP mentality. Just continue focusing on the faults of the Tories and blaming everyone else whilst being wilfully blind to their own failures.
As I said as a Scottish unionist it’s grim either way. I try my best not to care though and just try an enjoy life