Barrymagrec
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Can the non Westminster part of London come with you?
Scottish Politics II
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Can the non Westminster part of London come with you?
ff1d1l
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Interesting question. On its own, no, I don't think it would be enough, but sweetened with UK wide PR, Leveson enacted, and a well written constitution with legislative teeth, who knows, maybe?
wulbert
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I think Scotland would still hold one. Personally, I would still want one. There is a lot more to this than just EU membership. In any case, after so much bad faith and lies, it matters very little what any UK PM says or promises...who can trust them now?
Even those who oppose Scotland's self-government should still support a referendum. It would largely settle the constitutional question which currently hovers over every single political event in Scotland and is not good for progress. It needs decided one way or the other.
LecsonQuad
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I hope the SNP has revised it's defence strategy since the last referendum. We live in a much different world and selling defence as being a friendly country that doesn't need defences and is a nice neutral nuclear free zone could well lose the SNP the referendum. NATO membership with 2% defence spending and some sort of lease of Faslane [to NATO not what would be left of the UK] would be sensible in the world we live in today.
Ponty
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It strikes me that Scots are in a no win situation. Gain independence and you’ll have a country ripped down the middle (sound familiar?) with colossal problems to solve. Lose the ref and you’ll no doubt keep voting for a party (because of Westminster hatred) who will continue to prioritise independence over actually running the country and fixing drug deaths, alcoholism, education, budget deficit etc etc (not sure how these will be fixed by being independent but there you go). It’s a rhetorical issue (for 8% of the UK population) until independence finally happens at a once every decade referendum.
eternumviti
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Intrigued to know what you mean by 'to NATO' (NATO being the sum of its members, and a HQ), and what your issue is with the rUK leasing it, UK anyway being a member of NATO, as well as UK taxpayers having paid for it?
Also intrigued to know where the 2% is going to come from, given the current >20% deficit.
notaclue
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Sturgeon should pledge that all English visitors to the newly independent Scotland would be quizzed on their Brexit vote and will be refused entry if they voted Leave.
Would be hugely popular.
I might even be tempted to ban Scottish Leave voters from voting in the new Indyref2. Though that might be a bit too much. I would probably compromise and count each vote from a Leaver as half a vote for Indyref2.
Would be hugely popular.
I might even be tempted to ban Scottish Leave voters from voting in the new Indyref2. Though that might be a bit too much. I would probably compromise and count each vote from a Leaver as half a vote for Indyref2.
Ponty
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Brilliant idea. Cut off 52% (of those who voted) of potential tourism revenue from the rest of the UK. That’ll help employment and the colossal deficit. I’m sure they’d prefer to spend their money elsewhere in any case, no shortage of welcoming places to go.
Your other suggestion is one solution I suppose. Only let people vote if they agree with you.
Your other suggestion is one solution I suppose. Only let people vote if they agree with you.
monkfish
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Tories are killing us and stealing our resources, enough, we need to go, there are no problems to face in the future that are bigger that our problems within the UK.
Seeker_UK
Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans
wulbert
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You are framing this point as if the SNP would somehow be in power forever in an independent Scotland. That is a flawed approach. The chances are the SNP will cease to be a political force very shortly after independence. Their raison' d'être will have gone. The whole point in being independent is that the people of the country elect whichever government they choose and can make choices about foreign policy and defence. It is not in the SNP's gift to tell us what a future iScotland might be. That will be decided by voters.
notaclue
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Yes, perhaps I was being a bit too unfair. On further consideration, I would say that Leave voters would be allowed in after 9am to look around and buy things. They would need to leave by 5pm, though (they would be electronically tagged upon entry). They would not be able to stay overnight or book hotels. But they would be free to look around during their day trip. And buy things. Everyone wins that way.
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
I think he was being tongue in cheek. We are though looking at road pricing for camper vans- the ones that come over the border stacked up with provisions and don’t spend a brass farthing in the time they’re in the country.
One of the Windsors just passed me being driven in a Range Rover with police escort toward Edinburgh Airport. At least they put on a garden party and I can attest the victuals aren’t from Iceland either.
ff1d1l
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Or a mind change is obvious.Or keep asking until they do.
Wait a minute...what was that crap that got voted in, in 2016? Let it stew and stink a bit more and maybe even a ref for england.
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White Zombie
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As a unionist Scot this is kind of how I see things. No matter what the outcome I lose out. If we get independence then wee Hitler will be in charge to continue to do absolutely nothing about drugs misuse, educations, poverty, mental health issues etc after 8 years of blaming Westminster for all of Scotland's woes. If we again vote no well we're just left with the corrupt Tory scum to take the piss.
Richard Lines
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There is irony in this as there are currently queues of people at airports wanting to get to overly hotter places and adding to the global climate problem by flying there. The map shown is an argument for stopping mass flying with immediate effect if ever there was one.
The SNP themselves are devoid of bad faith and lies - really?
Regards
Richard
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
We have a new base metal standard in Westminster for lying, corruption and bad faith. Can you name a single country in Europe that even approaches it?
ff1d1l
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You are able to say this with a straight face in a country governed by the tories?
Richard Lines
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Yes - the SNP aren't exactly squeaky clean although not remotely close to the current UK government who, as TheDecameron notes above, do set a new standard.
On my other point I see it is being reported that Japan is recording its highest ever temperatures!!
Regards
Richard