P&O Ferries Scandal
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ks.234
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Or don’t vote for such c*nts in the first place.
cooky1257
pfm Member
Tut tut , I was illustrating the fact these companies/ owners/ sovereign wealth fund has its fingers in lots of pies. if I worked at the Etihad I’d now feel less secure...
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
Thank you. In my case I was in education, not conducive to a good nights sleep to go from teaching Art to a load of kids one day to facing a trained Barrister across a table the next. Not sure which was most scary mind.
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
Accuphase all the way down
Both would be nice, but given that we seem to have a choice of 'these' blue c*nts, or 'those' red c*nts, I'm thinking a more grassroots approach is called for first.
ks.234
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Richard Lines
pfm Member
Good Morning All,
Whilst not directly related I was employed by Petrofac (a Sharjah based organisation) a few years ago under a contract that stated we weren't "allowed" to have another job. This was quite clearly unenforceable in what was then EU/ UK law but didn't stop them from including it in the contract.
During a 3 week leave period I did a rig move which involved my flying out by helicopter. My return to my regular work was less than a week later so this extracurricular activity was 'flagged' and I was invited to attend Petrofac's office for what turned out to be a disciplinary affair which I was given no prior warning of.
Suspecting this was the likely course I contacted the firm I had done the extra work for who were quite happy to offer some handy legal advice. In addition to the bit about my being engaged in a second job being unenforceable the work I had carried out wasn't actually by me but my limited company (of which I am the sole employee) and it was this bit that threw a 'spanner in the works' as far as Petrofac were concerned.
Part way through the meeting I was asked to leave the room whilst a call was made to Sharjah. Much as they clearly wanted to take stronger action the fact it was a limited company doing this extracurricular work they' issued' me with a 6 month cease and desist 'warning'. I had been warned they might try this trick as well and advised it wasn't worth the paper it was written on.
I never did see this warning in writing despite asking for a copy on two occasions.
As ever these things always come back to haunt you and I'm pretty certain this was behind not getting a direct employ position with an installation owner (as every other person at my level did) some 3yrs later.........
It was interesting conversation that I had with the contract manager when I departed Petrofac's employ (in 2011) after he had asked the HR person to leave the room. It was held 'in confidence' and I continue to respect that but the same thinking/ methodology is clearly driving DP World.
At a time when, in theory, we should be seeking to increase/ secure employment for UK nationals as a part of Brexit this move by DP World needs opposing on every possible front and I don't say that simply because it affects my industry. I believe it marks a 'line in the sand', the line needs drawing and fully supporting.
Regards
Richard
Whilst not directly related I was employed by Petrofac (a Sharjah based organisation) a few years ago under a contract that stated we weren't "allowed" to have another job. This was quite clearly unenforceable in what was then EU/ UK law but didn't stop them from including it in the contract.
During a 3 week leave period I did a rig move which involved my flying out by helicopter. My return to my regular work was less than a week later so this extracurricular activity was 'flagged' and I was invited to attend Petrofac's office for what turned out to be a disciplinary affair which I was given no prior warning of.
Suspecting this was the likely course I contacted the firm I had done the extra work for who were quite happy to offer some handy legal advice. In addition to the bit about my being engaged in a second job being unenforceable the work I had carried out wasn't actually by me but my limited company (of which I am the sole employee) and it was this bit that threw a 'spanner in the works' as far as Petrofac were concerned.
Part way through the meeting I was asked to leave the room whilst a call was made to Sharjah. Much as they clearly wanted to take stronger action the fact it was a limited company doing this extracurricular work they' issued' me with a 6 month cease and desist 'warning'. I had been warned they might try this trick as well and advised it wasn't worth the paper it was written on.
I never did see this warning in writing despite asking for a copy on two occasions.
As ever these things always come back to haunt you and I'm pretty certain this was behind not getting a direct employ position with an installation owner (as every other person at my level did) some 3yrs later.........
It was interesting conversation that I had with the contract manager when I departed Petrofac's employ (in 2011) after he had asked the HR person to leave the room. It was held 'in confidence' and I continue to respect that but the same thinking/ methodology is clearly driving DP World.
At a time when, in theory, we should be seeking to increase/ secure employment for UK nationals as a part of Brexit this move by DP World needs opposing on every possible front and I don't say that simply because it affects my industry. I believe it marks a 'line in the sand', the line needs drawing and fully supporting.
Regards
Richard
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
Yes, totally agree. We have been totally let down by all parties that have been in power, including the yellow whatnots, our only hope now is in grassroots politics
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
I have just emailed the Secretary of State for education
Dear Ms Davies
According to legislation P&O should have consulted you 45 days ago before making the redundancies announced yesterday. Can you confirm that you were consulted by P&O in line with government legislation
According to legislation P&O should have consulted you 45 days ago before making the redundancies announced yesterday. Can you confirm that you were consulted by P&O in line with government legislation
gavreid
Pretty Words...
Seeker_UK
Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans
AIUI, this didn't happen.
If this came as a surprise to the Govt, what would you reasonably expect in 24 hours beyond a Transport minister speaking out against it?
[Edit]
As a point of clarification, the notification must go to SofS for Business, Energy & Industrial Strategy, so it's Kwasi Kwarteng, not Mims Davies.
Monitor Gold 10
pfm Member
Problem is that those who do vote aren't affected by all this. Not in that kind of job; better terms and conditions, etc.
Labour seems to have been quiet about this too. Wasn't New Labour established on the back of rescinding a certain part of their constitution?
Which leads to the following question:
What is the political party called Labour for?
If it is seen as little different from the Conservatives, then what are the alternatives?
What's the point of voting?
This is why people are disenfranchised.
Things will only change when people in roles seen as more skilled and professional are affected...
Monitor Gold 10
pfm Member
Thankyou very much for sharing your experience with us, Richard.
Appalling behaviour on the part of that company. I cannot say I'm surprised though.
Taking these organisations on isn't easy, is it?
I have had some experiences of my own aside from the campaigning, etc.
I cannot speak about these yet though...
Seeker_UK
Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans
See my edit above about who should be notified - I changed it while you replying.
It's only been 24 hours and at this moment in time, I guess the lawyers are working out what has happened and advising a course of action before the questions start. When Ministers asked about this have all said something along the lines of "we believe it's illegal" so that means they've been caught on the hop and simply don't know at this moment.
If you read the page in .gov.uk (https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...cation-of-redundancies-guidance-for-employers) it state:
"If it is not reasonably practicable for you to comply with the minimum notification periods you must make every effort do so as far as you are able. You must give reasons why you could not provide the information on time."
Which to my mind means that a smart employment lawyer like hose who are on call to DP World or P&O can drive a cart and horses through that. "Reasonable" is a get-out word that causes all kinds of problems in law and policy.
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
Accuphase all the way down
Glad you did that, ks. Are you aware that you've actually submitted an FOI request in doing that? So there's an obligation for a response within 20 working days, or sooner, and if they're going to refuse they need to say why and cite a valid and applicable exemption in their reason for doing so. My guess is that, if they do, they'll try the 'commercial interests' exemption and refuse to confirm or deny that they hold the information (ie, information as to whether they received the required notice from P&O). That is subject to a public interest test and, without intending to pre-judge the situation, I think there's a strong argument that the public interest in knowing whether a major employer and commercial operator in the UK has ignored employemnt law, outweighs any commercial confidentiality considerations.
Alternatively, I guess this information may come out sooner, perhaps in Parliament, and it all becomes moot.
Interested to know what response you do eventually get.
Edit: if you've sent it to the wrong department, they may just tell you they don't hold it.
Tony L
Administrator
The RMT needs to shoulder some blame for this mess too. They very actively promoted Brexit (RMT Brexit propaganda) which, as can be seen from the stark contrast between P&O behaviour in the UK and the EU, is clearly a factor here. Brexit likely isn’t the sole reason for this awful mess, but it is unquestionably a factor and the idiotic ‘Lexit’ left need to own their bit of it. They are looking remarkably stupid today IMHO.
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
Many thanks, can you tell me where you got the info from about the correct person to contact so I don’t make the same mistake again
Richard Lines
pfm Member
Good Morning All,
I believe Robert Courts MP is the Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for maritime issues - https://www.gov.uk/government/people/robert-courts.
Statement made in the HoC - https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/po-ferries-staff-redundancies-and-suspension-of-services
Regards
Richard
I believe Robert Courts MP is the Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for maritime issues - https://www.gov.uk/government/people/robert-courts.
Statement made in the HoC - https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/po-ferries-staff-redundancies-and-suspension-of-services
Regards
Richard