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MDAC First Listen (part 00101110)

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Actually you need to absorb a quarter wavelength , and foam isn't particularly good in high pressure low velocity areas, you would really need membrane traps ,helmhotz resonators .
Keith.

Yes, Keith, you're right, it's a quarter wavelength (which is a good thing).

I wasn't suggesting foam. Rockwool (or less noxious equivalents) work far better than foam. There is no need for Helmholtz resonators or similar when dealing with frequencies over 350Hz.
 
what REL did you order? I have been thinking of trying out a sub or two with my standmounts.

Well this guys are about as ugly as you can get but are considered very highly:-

http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/710-5...0001&campid=5338728743&icep_item=151990733352

Or possibly a bargain if your near Bristol:-

http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/710-5...0001&campid=5338728743&icep_item=111917437951

Also:-

http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/710-5...0001&campid=5338728743&icep_item=281945519230

Second hand so at your own risk from Ebay etc... But you would have to pay far more for something better... I'd buy them if they would ship to the Czech Rep....
 
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JohnW, If I was to get a PMD200 chip and send that to you, would you please fit that for me in due course?

For sure, Jarek will design the small PCB with the mainboard for the PMD200, we would be happy to test on the prototypes and then install on your unit :)
 
Yes, Keith, you're right, it's a quarter wavelength (which is a good thing).

I wasn't suggesting foam. Rockwool (or less noxious equivalents) work far better than foam. There is no need for Helmholtz resonators or similar when dealing with frequencies over 350Hz.

I agree ,but the most obvious room problems are sub 300, I would have thought dipole designs , ( as much energy from the rear as from the front ) would benefit from bass trapping.
Keith.
 
I agree ,but the most obvious room problems are sub 300, I would have thought dipole designs , ( as much energy from the rear as from the front ) would benefit from bass trapping.
Keith.

Yes, Keith, I was talking specifically about my own Martin Logans. The panels only go down to 340Hz, so no bass trapping is needed. A 25cm thickness of absorption behind the panels will be enough to prevent any cancellation.

Apologies for going waaaaay off topic, chaps.
 
The speakers only go down to 340Hz can't you add a sub?
Keith

These are the (epic) speakers: the Martin Logan Montis. They have a built-in conventional (actively powered) electrodynamic LF driver that deals with the stuff below 340Hz.

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These are the (epic) speakers: the Martin Logan Montis. They have a built-in conventional (actively powered) electrodynamic LF driver that deals with the stuff below 340Hz.

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Have you acoustically measured your room , bass trapping behind might help, but the first step is definitely measurement.
Anyhoo back to the topic in hand.
Keith.
 
For sure, Jarek will design the small PCB with the mainboard for the PMD200, we would be happy to test on the prototypes and then install on your unit :)

Perfect.... Thanks John, I'll let you know when I receive it.
 
Have you acoustically measured your room , bass trapping behind might help, but the first step is definitely measurement.
Anyhoo back to the topic in hand.
Keith.

I've measured the room using a mic I bought from you, Keith. The system, as things currently stand, uses a DSPeaker Anti-mode for LF room correction. I'm happy with what it does. The big LF peaks have been flattened. There are a couple of deep nulls, but they're very narrow band and not worth worrying about.

But we have drifted miles from the original point, which was a theoretical question about cancellation of LF sound thru rear reflection with dipoles ...
 
Well this guys are about as ugly as you can get but are considered very highly:-

http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/710-5...0001&campid=5338728743&icep_item=151990733352

Or possibly a bargain if your near Bristol:-

http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/710-5...0001&campid=5338728743&icep_item=111917437951

Also:-

http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/710-5...0001&campid=5338728743&icep_item=281945519230

Second hand so at your own risk from Ebay etc... But you would have to pay far more for something better... I'd buy them if they would ship to the Czech Rep....

I've heard good things about BK subs, and they are a reasonable price. No affiliation.
 
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Having owned mannnny subwoofers, I found the REL to be sometimes a bit overrated - REL Strata is a bit unimpressive, the Strata III and IV were not owned for long. Best RELs I had were Storm III (had two of them)...but bang for buck, it's hard to beat BK Monolith Plus, British made now by the ex REL and MJ Acoustics Cabinet manufacturers, for half the price

DIY guys will have you make subwoofers out of Air conditioner tubing, claim better performance for significantly less outlay :)

John I'm sure you could design better subwoofers than all of these guys ;-)
 
I spent few hours lsitening tonight after changing the Opamps in my Mono-block's DC servo circuit - and what a change they have made to the sound quality - I like the openness to the midrange and treble, but deap bass has is almost non existent... I'm not sure if it was bloated before or whats going on - but for sure the amplifiers are my systems biggest weakness ATM... I'll measure them later just to confirm there is nothing wrong with the DC Servo with the new Opamps...

For sure I need to move on the VFETs... and FDAC and Detox...

We are expecting the shipment from China with the Screws and Knob for the Detox any day now - I'm so looking forward :) hopefully by the time they arrive I'll have a system that's usable for the listening tests.
 
Wow those Montis look so much like my summits .. The summits cross over at 270.

Here's a snippet about the low end ...

Controlled Dispersion PoweredForce™ Bass
MartinLogan PoweredForce woofers feature advanced driver and amplification technologies that deliver astonishingly dynamic and articulate bass to as low as 24Hz from an enclosure only about the size of a case of wine. Controlled Dispersion PoweredForce woofers tailor output to provide a dispersion pattern at the crossover point mimicking that of our controlled dispersion electrostatic transducers. This breakthrough design provides dynamic, room filling bass at the lowest frequencies. However, by smoothly shifting woofer phasing as it approaches the crossover point we create a hybrid speaker that operates much more like a full range dipole (down to 160Hz) and brings with it all the requisite advantages of a controlled dispersion radiation pattern and uniform wave launch while still retaining the efficiency and dynamics that cone woofers provide at the lowest frequencies. By operating in dipole below the crossover point, the cones match the electrostatic panel when projecting sound into the room to provide controlled dispersion that minimizes side-wall reflections and reduces problematic room interactions in the midbass and midrange frequencies.

At the lowest bass frequencies (below 100Hz), the woofers remain in phase which is ideal for eliminating low frequency cancelation inherent to full range dipoles. This provides deep, dynamic low bass superior to that of most expensive high-end loudspeakers. Summit X is truly the finest hybrid speaker in the world, bringing all the benefits of both dynamic and electrostatic transducers into one seamless, easy to set up, and conveniently sized package. Additional 25 and 50Hz low-frequency equalization level controls further enhance performance by allowing precise tailoring to accommodate individual room acoustics.

The following graphs are idealized representations of the Summit X's bass response. Note on the graph titled 'Response: Behind Speaker', that the bass response at the lowest frequencies is in phase with the front response (indicated by the grey background). Between 100Hz and 160Hz woofer output shifts to become completely 180 degrees out of phase with the front response. In reality, this phase shifting is much more gradual than shown in the graph. It is simplified here to illustrate the concept. When the front and rear bass responses (sound waves) meet in the middle (at the sides of the speaker), the opposing phases cancel each other and cause the response to drop off as shown in the graph titled 'Response: Speaker Side'. Focusing wave launch above 160Hz to the front and back of the speaker effectively mimics the controlled dispersion pattern inherent to our electrostatic transducers. This allows the output of the dynamic woofer and electrostatic transducers to operate with a cohesive, aligned wave launch creating a seamless sonic presentation across the full range of sound while minimizing side wall reflections that muddle sonic detail and stereo imaging.
 
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