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Easy for you to say…..
Not everyone can afford or wants to spend that much on a bearing alone.
So don't.
Easy for you to say…..
Not everyone can afford or wants to spend that much on a bearing alone.
I think that's why the LP12 has lasted so long, the designers got the fundamentals correct from the word go.Also the LP12 lettering on the original arm board to my eyes is just perfect who ever did it got it absolutely spot on
When I sell an LP12 I let the buyer hear it against mine so that they can hear the difference a few extra grand makes. Not because I want to show off, but because I want them to hear that a correctly built and balanced LP12 of any price is a great sounding and very enjoyable record player. You don't need to spend thousands to get a great LP12 and sometimes the 'better' ones lose the fun in the quest for refinement.So don't.
, BUT IF THEY ARE WELL MADE AND OF THE CORRECT DIMENSIONS, THEY ALL SOUND THE SAME.
"WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE FOR THAT CLAIM ?"
Years and years of fettling and listening. Just like yours
Yes, I have listened to quite a few, with the rest of the deck the same. What's your point? Do you have one?I was more asking the question .." so, you have heard them all " Thats a lot of plinths to analyse with no changes to the rest of the deck...just changing plinths leaving arms , cartridges, power supplies etc left exactly the same for comparison purposes .![]()
. What's your point? Do you have one?
Alternatively use an LP with wideband noise on it (if such a thing exists) and do the same comparison.
As an aside I would have liked to listen to the LP12 that Linn made using Panzerholz....it would be interesting I think.
Ah, well, that’s OK. I’ve had around 7 different plinths over the years, all with the Aro and a DV. 5 different wooden ones, including the one I have now, a metal one from Mober, and an all singing, all dancing one with top plate, arm board and feet built in. I couldn’t hear a difference.Yes....I disagree with you.
As an aside I would have liked to listen to the LP12 that Linn made using Panzerholz....it would be interesting I think.
That’s the one I had. Good design, fit and finish not up to snuff. Edmund now in UK, no idea what his future plans are.Are mober making a new plinth? Because their previous one came in lots of pieces that needed screwing together.
If that is what you hear, then that’s all that need bother you."WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE FOR THAT CLAIM ?"
Years and years of fettling and listening. Just like yours
shame about the metal equipment standsI prefer non-fluted myself, which is ironic as I keep ending up with fluted ones! Although at the time when I bought my fluted walnut one it was a limited edition but, Linn being the feckers that they are, now sell fluted plinths as standard again.
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I used to think the flutes looked dated, and I think they did, but the LP12 has now been around for so long it has transcended any notion of being dated and is effectively timeless.
I don't think I'll ever be able to sell an LP12 this cheaply again. The cost of parts just keeps going up. I just hope it goes to the right home.
Miss Ariel said:
Also the LP12 lettering on the original arm board to my eyes is just perfect who ever did it got it absolutely spot on
Mr Pig said:
I think that's why the LP12 has lasted so long, the designers got the fundamentals correct from the word go.
True, but it's not actually that important if the LPs noise is "pure" or not. It's a comparative test. You are looking for change rather than absolute values in the test. Obviously you'd need to make at least 10 or so measurements with each new board to get an averaged out response. But then when you change to a different board you will either get results that basically are the same to within the "noise" or variance, or you'll see some clear differences showing up as peaks or suck outs at frequencies where they didn't exist before.Problem then is that the LP noise may also resonances, etc! Cutters may not be perfect. Indeed, some have a significant HF resonances in the cutter.
It's easily beaten.It’s the glass that kills the music, fraim is much the same. A sound org table with an chipboard top takes some beating
I'm not at all sure that one person's judgement makes anything true.