Tarzan
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One can never have too many cable threads....
We are going off topic here.
One can never have too many cable threads....
People of all persuasions are capable of going too far. To put it in very general terms, the right has biases that can cause it to want to preserve what should be thrown out, while the left similarly can be eager to throw out what should be preserved. Innate personality differences, I think.Yes, but let's mention here again that a little more tolerance for contributors of the moderate right would be very welcome. Some members ought to understand that sometimes you need to mix the cowboys and the indians in order to make things work.
After 20+ years there is little new about hi-fi or music to talk about.
Not really correct, I mean, I'd agree if you'd said Chiang Kai-Shek, the man who refined the scorched earth policy, but much of Mao's later policies were as much to do with the US as they were with China. I'm sure you are well aware of the US vacillation during the Communist PartyKMT conflict, where the US position the diplomats on the ground felt that the CCP were a better bet than the KMT, which was hardly welcomed by non combatants, whereas, compared to the careful policies laid down by Chou-en-lai, the CCP often was. What happened after, especially the famines, the reliance on the unreliable Soviet Union for aid, is often taken to be what pushed the CCP towards the country-wide famines, the poverty, the rush to equal the US and later the Soviet Union in its weapons to maintain their independence rather than solve their own poverty. There's also the historic, angle, too: The Chinese Empire had previously included most of the independent countries, where at various times Vietnam and Cambodia had been vassal states, so many Chinese felt (and still do feel) that they knew and had the interests of most SE Asia at heart. Classic imperial thinking, no more, no less.No way. Guys who kill to get total power, naturally keep on killing to keep it. Giving isn't even in the picture.
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I'm not saying the Maoists were squeaky clean,
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Your views interest me, do you have newsletter I can subscribe to?Not really correct, I mean, I'd agree if you'd said Chiang Kai-Shek, the man who refined the scorched earth policy, but much of Mao's later policies were as much to do with the US as they were with China. I'm sure you are well aware of the US vacillation during the Communist PartyKMT conflict, where the US position the diplomats on the ground felt that the CCP were a better bet than the KMT, which was hardly welcomed by non combatants, whereas, compared to the careful policies laid down by Chou-en-lai, the CCP often was. What happened after, especially the famines, the reliance on the unreliable Soviet Union for aid, is often taken to be what pushed the CCP towards the country-wide famines, the poverty, the rush to equal the US and later the Soviet Union in its weapons to maintain their independence rather than solve their own poverty. There's also the historic, angle, too: The Chinese Empire had previously included most of the independent countries, where at various times Vietnam and Cambodia had been vassal states, so many Chinese felt (and still do feel) that they knew and had the interests of most SE Asia at heart. Classic imperial thinking, no more, no less.
I'm not saying the Maoists were squeaky clean, far from it, but there has to be a balance. However, the US refusal to recognise the government and to support their bitter enemy, which support the rest of the Western world tamely followed, certainly had a major influence in their actions. Your original post seems to be a little off point on this.
I'd love to give you references on this, but most of the research is locked away in the archives of an Australian University ,not indexed, or, in my case, long since lost.
the Abattoir would get my full attention.
Frankie, you not going to tell them who you are? You’ve been keeping a low profile in Off Topic of late but I see you’ve had a few relapses coinciding with a spot of Sunday night home drinking. I thought you were going to lay off the stuff?What would the Decameron do without the off topic room? Where would he share his word puzzles? I've an inkling he might spend more time on his other online 'hobbies'.
Your views interest me, do you have newsletter I can subscribe to?
Avole, of the 45 million or so Chinese who died between 1958-1962 during Mao’s Great Leap Forward, do you happen to know how many died from torture and execution as opposed to just starving to death?
Where in God's name do you bury 45 million people?